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Air Transat Ferry flights

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On May 6th 2020, an Air Transat A321, C-FTXU, was flown from Toronto to Ljubljana, Slovenia, with a fluel stop in Keflavik, likely to be returned to its owner or delivered to its new lessee.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFTXU

It was still registered in Canada to Air Transat.

https://wwwapps.tc.gc.ca/Saf-Sec-Sur/2/ ... chHs.aspx

There are no Air Transat pilots on payroll, we are all laid off. Who flew this aircraft ? Our Collective Agreement, of course, clearly states that only Air Transat pilots can fly Air Transat Aircraft. This clause is the foundation of all the Collective agreements in this industry.

I hope they were not Air Canada pilots. This could lead to a big stink.......
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I know that in the case of Sunwing, certain members of the management within the Flight Ops department remain on the payroll despite the remainder of the pilots being laid off, i.e. VPFO, DFO, CP, etc. as well as several of the senior managers within the training department. I believe some of these individuals have been involved in ferrying aircraft for storage, perhaps this is also the case with Transat?
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Thank you, but they were not Transat pilots, management or otherwise......
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Gilles Hudicourt wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 9:38 am Thank you, but they were not Transat pilots, management or otherwise......
How do you know?
To keep your AOC, you need a CP and Ops Manager, are they not current on type?
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mbav8r wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 12:02 pmTo keep your AOC, you need a CP and Ops Manager, are they not current on type?
Air Transat has on staff a VP-Ops, a Director of Flight Ops and 3 CPs. All of which are pilots. None of these people ferried the aircraft.
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Maybe it was one of the airplanes that were being returned to a lessor and it was flown back by contract pilots contracted by the leasing company...
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Gilles,

In the normal course of business, were there any TS operated aircraft that were planned to be returned or at least revert to a European operator for the summer season? Has TRZ announced that it has terminated any leases?
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tdp19 wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 12:19 pm Maybe it was one of the airplanes that were being returned to a lessor and it was flown back by contract pilots contracted by the leasing company...
Perhaps, but it was flown out as an Air Transat registered aircraft, on the AT OC.
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rudder wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 12:23 pm Gilles,

In the normal course of business, were there any TS operated aircraft that were planned to be returned or at least revert to a European operator for the summer season? Has TRZ announced that it has terminated any leases?
They have not announced anything. But some aircraft, including this one, were short term leases, that were supposed to be leased from Thomas Cook just for the winter and returned to them in the Spring.
They in exchange, would dry-lease some our extra A-330s for the winter.
Of course, Thomas Cook has since vanished.

Air Transat has some A321 CEOs that are long term leases, and some A321s CEOs that are short term leases for just the winter season.

The A321NEOs are all long term leases.
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What about this:

We are not « laid off » because we are still on the payroll thanks to the CEWS. Any of our A321 pilots can fly the A321?
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FL320 wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 1:01 pm What about this:

We are not « laid off » because we are still on the payroll thanks to the CEWS. Any of our A321 pilots can fly the A321?
That is one way of looking at it. But then why did outsiders fly it ?
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Gilles Hudicourt wrote: Tue May 12, 2020 1:11 pm That is one way of looking at it. But then why did outsiders fly it ?
Going back to it's owners, and maybe nobody at Transat knew it was going....
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I agree this sounds like a repo job.
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Provide proof it was flown under the AT OC.
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If it was not under the OC, how did they get into RVSM airspace? There's so little traffic out there today, maybe they just phoned each FIR and got approval? What about MNPS?
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There is another one leaving YYZ tonight.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFT ... /CYYZ/BIKF
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Why don't you just call your union reps and have your MEC file a grievance?
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Handcuff yourself to the sidestick!
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ahramin wrote: Wed May 13, 2020 1:55 pm If it was not under the OC, how did they get into RVSM airspace? There's so little traffic out there today, maybe they just phoned each FIR and got approval? What about MNPS?
I'm sure lease companies have arrangements when they have to move aircraft. Why wouldn't they be allowed in RVSM/MNPS?
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I think your making this more than it is Gilles.

The last one (TXU) was exported to Austria, back to either the leasing company or the new operator. Just because it was Canadian registered doesn't mean anything. The C of R does not prove title to the aircraft and in fact it was de-registered the next day. Canadian companies can operate foreign registered aircraft in Canada for certain periods of time and vise versa.

Aircraft transactions both private and commercial are done this way all the time - where the registered owner is not necessarily the operator. The aircraft would simply be flown by the owner, contract company or new lease holder.

But - If you are worried about it....just bring it up to the union.
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