I don’t understand why people are afraid of covid. If you have a vaccine, what more do you need to feel safe?
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Because they’re constantly being fed verbal diarrhoea 24/7 on TV that the unvaccinated are responsible for spreading all the WuFlu.
“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.” ~ Joseph Goebbels
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your a twitlostaviator wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 3:45 pm Drinking is my right. How dare the government tell me I can't drink and fly!!!!
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Actually it isn't. And under our shitty excuse for a charter, all your other rights fall under the reasonable exception(article 1) The Politico's are the ones that decide what is reasonable.
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No it is a rightyhz41 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:21 pm I can see the violation of some charter for employees ,but as far as passengers go...travel is a privilege not a right. I'm sure there will be some way around that for those who can't be vaccinated (children) just like for the "mandatory" vaccines to attend school.
6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.
(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right:
to move to and take up residence in any province; aand to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.
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Yeah so like I said....an issue for employees... But point 1 there does not say right to enter and leave Canada via airplane.rigpiggy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:31 pmNo it is a rightyhz41 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:21 pm I can see the violation of some charter for employees ,but as far as passengers go...travel is a privilege not a right. I'm sure there will be some way around that for those who can't be vaccinated (children) just like for the "mandatory" vaccines to attend school.
6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.
(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right:
to move to and take up residence in any province; aand to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.
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Some people aren't actually scared of covid themselves but they fear for their small children and for the immunocomprimised. They may not fear death but fear long covid, lung damage. Some people care about others.
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So?rigpiggy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:31 pmNo it is a rightyhz41 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 13, 2021 4:21 pm I can see the violation of some charter for employees ,but as far as passengers go...travel is a privilege not a right. I'm sure there will be some way around that for those who can't be vaccinated (children) just like for the "mandatory" vaccines to attend school.
6. (1) Every citizen of Canada has the right to enter, remain in and leave Canada.
(2) Every citizen of Canada and every person who has the status of a permanent resident of Canada has the right:
to move to and take up residence in any province; aand to pursue the gaining of a livelihood in any province.
You need a SIN to pursue gaining a livelihood in Canada. Does that violate the Charter, too?
Does the requirement to get a pilot medical violate the charter?
Nobody is denying your rights to movement and employment. Every single one of those has limitations and conditions attached.
If you don’t want vaccines, then you are more than free to find another job.
Aviation is the wrong industry to be in if you don’t like government interference. I wonder how any of you even got here? LMAO
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I wonder how much this will affect passenger loads, there are still plenty of places where WHO-approved (but not Health Canada-approved) vaccines are widely available.
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Nor is a licence required to operate a vehicle. Its required ON PUBLIC ROADS. Private property? Fill your boots.
The only three things a wingman should ever say: 1. "Two's up" 2. "You're on fire" 3. "I'll take the fat one"
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If these Covid shots actually worked you might have a point.
If these Covid shots were actually safe and effective you might have a point.
If multiple safe an effective treatment options didn't exist you might have a point.
If Covid was actually a risk to someone who has a healthy immune system you might have a point.
All those who think this is ok you are welcoming vaccine passports and a new social credit system. This will be the end of all free movement. The inch you are welcoming will soon be a mile.
LA now wants to block all unvaccinated from entering any public space including a grocery store. Ask yourself why if the vaccine works would anyone need to block entry into a grocery store.
If these Covid shots were actually safe and effective you might have a point.
If multiple safe an effective treatment options didn't exist you might have a point.
If Covid was actually a risk to someone who has a healthy immune system you might have a point.
All those who think this is ok you are welcoming vaccine passports and a new social credit system. This will be the end of all free movement. The inch you are welcoming will soon be a mile.
LA now wants to block all unvaccinated from entering any public space including a grocery store. Ask yourself why if the vaccine works would anyone need to block entry into a grocery store.
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Ok, so you've agreed there is a point.deadbear wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:40 am If these Covid shots actually worked you might have a point.
If these Covid shots were actually safe and effective you might have a point.
If multiple safe an effective treatment options didn't exist you might have a point.
If Covid was actually a risk to someone who has a healthy immune system you might have a point.
All those who think this is ok you are welcoming vaccine passports and a new social credit system. This will be the end of all free movement. The inch you are welcoming will soon be a mile.
LA now wants to block all unvaccinated from entering any public space including a grocery store. Ask yourself why if the vaccine works would anyone need to block entry into a grocery store.
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Those are a lot of ifs that you are trying to use to imply that the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are not safe, effective, and worthwhile. You also are trying to pretend that COVID does not have serious risks.deadbear wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 2:40 am If these Covid shots actually worked you might have a point.
If these Covid shots were actually safe and effective you might have a point.
If multiple safe an effective treatment options didn't exist you might have a point.
If Covid was actually a risk to someone who has a healthy immune system you might have a point.
All those who think this is ok you are welcoming vaccine passports and a new social credit system. This will be the end of all free movement. The inch you are welcoming will soon be a mile.
LA now wants to block all unvaccinated from entering any public space including a grocery store. Ask yourself why if the vaccine works would anyone need to block entry into a grocery store.
Let me correct your thinking.
The vaccines are very effective at preventing death and hospitalization in people who catch COVID. COVID is very a serious illness that damages the cells and tissues that line the air sacs in your lungs.
If you are so confident that COVID is not an issue, go to the hospital and walk into the COVID ward without a mask. I'm sure you won't be talking so much shit when it feels like there is broken glass in your lungs.
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Do you realize (probably not otherwise you won’t be posting this kind of things) That the more a virus is transmitted the more it is given options to mutate?
That a virus can mutate enough to annihilate its vaccin?
How about that as real fear mongering? You can call me chicken about it I do not care
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GOAL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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A virus ALWAYS naturally mutates towards higher transmissibility and/or lower virulence.TG wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:49 amDo you realize (probably not otherwise you won’t be posting this kind of things) That the more a virus is transmitted the more it is given options to mutate?
That a virus can mutate enough to annihilate its vaccin?
How about that as real fear mongering? You can call me chicken about it I do not care
Think about it. Anything biological wishes to survive for as long as possible. When barriers were erected to reduce transmissibility (mask wearing, etc), only a higher transmissible virus survived. And if a virus kills its' host too quickly, it reduces its' ability to reproduce, hence why the Delta variant is of higher transmissibility, but has about a 10x lower hospitalization rate than the original Covid strain.
Over time, covid WILL degenerate to a "slightly stronger cold". That is why it is not desirable to reach a "covid zero" society. That is also why it is not desirable to have a 100% vaccinated population.
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"A virus ALWAYS naturally mutates towards higher transmissibility and/or lower virulence."BigQ wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:50 amA virus ALWAYS naturally mutates towards higher transmissibility and/or lower virulence.TG wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:49 amDo you realize (probably not otherwise you won’t be posting this kind of things) That the more a virus is transmitted the more it is given options to mutate?
That a virus can mutate enough to annihilate its vaccin?
How about that as real fear mongering? You can call me chicken about it I do not care
Think about it. Anything biological wishes to survive for as long as possible. When barriers were erected to reduce transmissibility (mask wearing, etc), only a higher transmissible virus survived. And if a virus kills its' host too quickly, it reduces its' ability to reproduce, hence why the Delta variant is of higher transmissibility, but has about a 10x lower hospitalization rate than the original Covid strain.
Over time, covid WILL degenerate to a "slightly stronger cold". That is why it is not desirable to reach a "covid zero" society. That is also why it is not desirable to have a 100% vaccinated population.
That is categorically false. Viruses mutate, true, but they mutate for the better and for the worse. What you are conflating with "always naturally" mutating toward a more effective (from the virus' point of view) is actually natural evolution. The traits that cause a living creature to increase it's population more quickly usually is the trait that will survive whereas a trait that causes it's procreation to slow is something that usually will fail. It's not always the case, but definitely a good rule of thumb.
"Over time, covid WILL degenerate to a "slightly stronger cold". That is why it is not desirable to reach a "covid zero" society. That is also why it is not desirable to have a 100% vaccinated population."
That's an optimistic guess, but it's nothing more than just an uneducated guess from someone not educated in the matter.
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What data is that based on? I can only find one study, and it found delta caused 1.85x the hospitalisation rate of the original strain:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 1/fulltext
We do have much lower hospitalisation rate right now, but that is probably mostly due to vaccination.
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Are you also aware that viruses are smart and will find ways (mutate) around the vaccines which are likely to be ineffective in the very near future? Ever hear what happens when antibiotics are over prescribed? Drug resistant bacteria.TG wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:49 amDo you realize (probably not otherwise you won’t be posting this kind of things) That the more a virus is transmitted the more it is given options to mutate?
That a virus can mutate enough to annihilate its vaccin?
How about that as real fear mongering? You can call me chicken about it I do not care
Let’s Go Brandon
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Here you go. 10x is perhaps another statistic, but here's the UK.CpnCrunch wrote: ↑Sun Aug 15, 2021 12:16 pmWhat data is that based on? I can only find one study, and it found delta caused 1.85x the hospitalisation rate of the original strain:
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanc ... 1/fulltext
We do have much lower hospitalisation rate right now, but that is probably mostly due to vaccination.
Alpha v. Delta
Look at "exclusion" cases... "inclusion" includes people that aren't at the hospital for covid but are discovered to have covid when there.
5.4% v. 3.5% of cases visited a healthcare provider.
54% higher rate for a medical visit Alpha v. Delta
2.0% v. 1.0 of cases were admitted overnight.
100% higher rate for a hospital overnight Alpha v. Delta
1.1% v. 0.2% of cases resulted in death.
550% higher rate of death with Alpha v. Delta