Ivermectin-Disinformation of the century

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She makes reference to the Joe Rogan Experience.
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Of course the pandemic could end, but it’s more important to make sure some pockets are filled with 💰 before that time comes. What is absolutely hilarious is that your average CBC follower thinks ivermectin is only for horses. We have reached the point of pure manipulation and disinformation because the general public perpetuate the mainstream agenda.

Basically no money to fund studies on generic drugs because lives are less important than the money to be made on a new drug.

Here’s the link below for those who prefer the mainstream narrative. This way you can tell people they are taking horse pills and mock them. For those who like to listen to intelligent people check out the podcast.

https://globalnews.ca/news/8160269/peop ... -supplier/
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I don't want to click on any of your links, because your post makes no sense.
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I thought you were pointing out the disinformation, but youre adding to it!

Actually there are quite a few studies, and even a cochrane review. Mayve look at that rather than this joe rogan dude?
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montado wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:36 am Basically no money to fund studies on generic drugs because lives are less important than the money to be made on a new drug.
That's a blatant falsehhood. There are a whole bunch of generic drugs that have been studied and are presently used for the treatment of COVID-19, in different jurisdictions, including:
  • oxygen therapy
  • remdesivir
  • dexamethasone and other corticosteroids
  • tocilizumab
But we musn't let the truth get in the way of a good conspiracy theory, must we?

You inhabit this weird space where when we have evidence that something works (vaccines) you disbelieve the evidence and seek to discredit it, and when we have no evidence that something works (horse dewormer) you recommend it. How do you feel about injecting bleach? I heard from someone that's a great idea too.
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Conspiracy theory defined:

1) A belief that a consensus of the world’s scientific experts who’ve spent their lives doing real research have nonetheless missed blatantly obvious that you were able to uncover in seventeen minutes due to your superior Googling skills.

2) A belief that decades of medical research carried out by people committed to caring for humanity is all a hoax, since you’ve decided they are secretly and irredeemably evil because they’ve been exposed by random people you’ve never heard of who spend their days making claims without evidence on websites with dubious credibility.
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And the weirdest thing is that he is an Air Canada pilot (along with our other top covid-conspiracy-poster nutjobs). What does this say about aviation?
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CpnCrunch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 12:04 pm And the weirdest thing is that he is an Air Canada pilot (along with our other top covid-conspiracy-poster nutjobs). What does this say about aviation?
I guess those psyc evals they do during the hiring interview aren't working out so well.
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That's it though...

You guys think ivermectin is a horse dewormer.

You perfectly illustrate the argument.

You ignore the studies done.

You ignore that it's safe and established for human use in many ailments, parasites, viral infections, bacterial infections for 35 years.

You discard it as a dewormer when it is used for much much more.

You ignore the fact that half of the 2015 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine went to the discoverers of it.

So are you misled on this? Or are you willfully ignorant?
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dialdriver wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:38 pm FB_IMG_1630899389557.jpg
You are a hypocrite.

I'm sure you're the first to call "Fake news" on anything you disagree with... then you post this bullshit.

Ivermectin developers won a fucking Nobel prize. It's saved and improved countless lives. And you discount it with this bullshit? You're a fucking ignorant dogma parrot.
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altiplano wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:47 pm
dialdriver wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:38 pm FB_IMG_1630899389557.jpg
You are a hypocrite.

I'm sure you're the first to call "Fake news" on anything you disagree with... then you post this bullshit.

Ivermectin developers won a fucking Nobel prize. It's saved and improved countless lives. And you discount it with this bullshit? You're a fucking ignorant dogma parrot.
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altiplano wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:47 pm
Ivermectin developers won a fucking Nobel prize.
But not for fucking covid. Dont tell me youve bought into this batshit as well as being an antivax AC capn.
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Ivermectin is not just for horses! FFS the media is demonizing a potential tool in the fight to control this virus.
Most of us can agree that vaccines seem to work fairly well, but why are they the ONLY option recommended by the "experts"? Why are doctors not allowed to explore, or even f**king talk about, complimentary/alternative treatments? Why cant doctors decide what's in the best interest of their patients and prescribe medications accordingly? This relentless "vaccine only" propaganda is what makes me skeptical of the information we are being force fed by the mainstream media.
BTW, I did watch the Dr.Weinstien podcast with Dr.Kory. It's very informative and if you have some spare time I highly suggest watching it, if for nothing else, to hear another expert's perspective.
The absolute tragedy in all of this is how horribly divided that we as a society have become. :(

https://www.webmd.com/drug-medication/w ... ivermectin
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CpnCrunch wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:09 pm
altiplano wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 8:47 pm
Ivermectin developers won a fucking Nobel prize.
But not for fucking covid. Dont tell me youve bought into this batshit as well as being an antivax AC capn.
Do you believe that the first couple vaccines to market are the only answer to Covid? Period?

Because clearly they aren't.... 80% vaccination rates, lockdowns, and masks and here comes wave 4...

I'm open minded and optimistic that there are other solutions, why aren't you?

There have been successful ivermectin covid trials.

WHO lists it as one of the most important medications in the world and called it a wonder drug. Yet "you people" are so quick to dismiss it as a "horse dewormer" this drug that is approved and proven safe and has already been demonstrated in trials as effective and continues in other ongoing trials with positive results.

Why are you still negative about that? Should you not be happy? More treatments and alternatives to the marginally effective ARR vaccines that have also causes so much harm.
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HO Driver wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:26 pm Ivermectin is not just for horses! FFS the media is demonizing a potential tool in the fight to control this virus.
Most of us can agree that vaccines seem to work fairly well, but why are they the ONLY option recommended by the "experts"? Why are doctors not allowed to explore, or even f**king talk about, complimentary/alternative treatments? Why cant doctors decide what's in the best interest of their patients and prescribe medications accordingly? This relentless "vaccine only" propaganda is what makes me skeptical of the information we are being force fed by the mainstream media.
BTW, I did watch the Dr.Weinstien podcast with Dr.Kory. It's very informative and if you have some spare time I highly suggest watching it, if for nothing else, to hear another expert's perspective.
The absolute tragedy in all of this is how horribly divided that we as a society have become. :(

https://www.webmd.com/drug-medication/w ... ivermectin
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altiplano wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:34 pm
There have been successful ivermectin covid trials.
A few months ago the anti Vax gang, at least in France, were all excited about "Hydroxychloroquine" as the miracle of all miracle pill to cure from Covid before even getting sick (preventive) It felt silently through the cracks as zero proof showed that it actually worked.

Now they all get hyper excited about "Ivermectin" Like Hydroxychloroquine, the efficacy of a drug mainly promoted by rightwing figures worldwide for treating Covid-19. Same story, different meme.
What makes it even more absurd is this willingness to take it with bare bone minimum research of its efficacy, while Vaccins are sitting next door with months of utilisation now.




Any thing not to take a vaccine, you bunch make zero sense....
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HO Driver wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:26 pm Ivermectin is not just for horses! FFS the media is demonizing a potential tool in the fight to control this virus.
Most of us can agree that vaccines seem to work fairly well, but why are they the ONLY option recommended by the "experts"? Why are doctors not allowed to explore, or even f**king talk about, complimentary/alternative treatments? Why cant doctors decide what's in the best interest of their patients and prescribe medications accordingly? This relentless "vaccine only" propaganda is what makes me skeptical of the information we are being force fed by the mainstream media.
BTW, I did watch the Dr.Weinstien podcast with Dr.Kory. It's very informative and if you have some spare time I highly suggest watching it, if for nothing else, to hear another expert's perspective.
The absolute tragedy in all of this is how horribly divided that we as a society have become. :(

https://www.webmd.com/drug-medication/w ... ivermectin
This is what your link to webmd says about using Ivermectin to treat Covid:

Is Ivermectin Approved to Treat COVID-19?

The FDA hasn’t approved ivermectin to treat or prevent the illness caused by the coronavirus.

Scientists have been studying the drug to find out if it can treat COVID-19, but they need more information before they can say whether it’s safe or effective. That’s why major groups like the FDA, the Infectious Diseases Society of America, and the World Health Organization say you shouldn’t take ivermectin for COVID-19 unless you’re enrolled in a professional medical study called a clinical trial.

The best way to protect yourself and your loved ones from the coronavirus is to get vaccinated. The COVID-19 vaccines are approved for everyone 12 years old and up. They’re generally safe and effective, with the benefits outweighing any risks.

The same can’t be said about taking ivermectin for COVID-19. If you’re not under a doctor’s care, it’s possible to take too much and overdose, which can lead to seizures, coma, and death.

What Are the Side Effects of Ivermectin?
At doses that doctors usually prescribe for people, ivermectin can have side effects like:

Constipation
Diarrhea
Headache
Pain in your joints, muscles, or stomach
Lower appetite
Nausea or vomiting
Tenderness in your neck, armpit, or groin
Shaky movements (tremors)

Call your doctor right away if you’re taking prescription ivermectin and notice severe side effects like:

An allergic reaction like a rash, itching, hives, or swelling of your face, lips, or tongue
Trouble breathing
Vision changes
Chest pain
Fast, irregular heartbeat
Confusion
Eye pain, redness, or swelling
Dizziness or fainting
Fever
Skin that gets red, blisters, peels, or loosens
Seizures
Peeing or pooping that you can’t control
New swelling
Unusual tiredness or weakness
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altiplano wrote: Sun Sep 05, 2021 9:34 pm
There have been successful ivermectin covid trials.

WHO lists it as one of the most important medications in the world and called it a wonder drug. Yet "you people" are so quick to dismiss it as a "horse dewormer" this drug that is approved and proven safe and has already been demonstrated in trials as effective and continues in other ongoing trials with positive results.

Why are you still negative about that? Should you not be happy? More treatments and alternatives to the marginally effective ARR vaccines that have also causes so much harm.

MARCH 31, 2021

WHO joins Europe, Merck in recommending against ivermectin for COVID-19
By Reuters Staff

3 MIN READ


ZURICH (Reuters) - The World Health Organization (WHO) on Wednesday recommended against using generic anti-parasite drug ivermectin in patients with COVID-19 except for clinical trials, because of a lack of data demonstrating its benefits.

The recommendation follows the European Medicines Agency’s warning last week against the drug. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has also recommended it not be used for COVID-19.

Officials in the Bolivian city of Trinidad launched a campaign in May last year to give out free doses of ivermectin to combat the coronavirus, although the South American country’s health ministry noted the lack of evidence for it as a treatment.

Ivermectin tablets have been approved for treating some worm infestations and for veterinary use in animals for parasites. Merck, an ivermectin manufacturer, has also said its analysis did not support the drug’s safety and efficacy for COVID-19.

“This applies to patients with COVID-19 of any disease severity,” Janet Diaz, a top WHO official for clinical care response, told reporters of the WHO recommendation, saying it was “based on very low certainty of evidence” that ivermectin helps.

The WHO’s review was based on a survey of 16 trials of ivermectin involving 2,400 people, including those comparing it with hydroxychloroquine, an older malaria medicine that has been discredited as a COVID-19 treatment. There were very few placebo-controlled studies of ivermectin.

“We certainly need more data in order to make informed decisions,” said Bram Rochwerg, an associate professor at Canada’s McMaster University and a co-chair of the WHO panel that reviewed ivermectin.

He said the data available was sparse and likely based on chance, though he said “high quality, trustworthy trials” were still merited.

“We did see an increase in adverse effects in patients that were randomised to ivermectin,” he said, citing gastrointestinal upsets and headaches.

Worldwide, he said, there are 66 trials of ivermectin registered, with 60,000 participants, so more data on its impact on the pandemic could be coming.

“We are fighting this overuse of unproven therapies - especially some of these repurposed drugs - in various parts of world without evidence of efficacy,” Diaz said. “There can be more harm than any good.”

Reporting by John Miller in Zurich and Stephanie Nebehay in Geneva; Editing by Nick Macfie
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