Cessna 180

[Airtids]

Buy a 182,great floatplane...If I didn't have so much tied up in my 185 I would look at one,Airtids has a nice one for sale.

HAD one for sale, looks like she's gone, and I'll miss her!! The nice thing about the 182 was the cabin was bigger, and the frame was a bit stronger. We put a 3 bladed prop and a 275hp Pponk engine (2000tbo) on her and she was gggrrrreat!

[geodoc]

A friend is selling this former Canadian reg. 1960-ish 180 that I ferried to Asheville NC from Powell River BC 7-8 years ago.

Timex engine, factory float kit, no corrosion issues, P-Ponk gear mod, 185 tail wheel, new-ish paint, hangared, shoulder harnesses, awful interior, crap panel.

He'd take $50K USD

His name's Jonathan:

http://www.gagecrafters.com/

[HS-748 2A]

That's pretty good value. I'll sell you a set of 2960s for 8.5K CAN and you've yourself a Buck Eighty on floats for under 75K.

Looks like it's got the seaplane prop too.

'48

[sheephunter]

and with a P-Ponk engine and still fairly good value for under $100K.... pretty nice spending someone elses money.... so while we're at it may as well go for the A.R.T. Wing-X Remember the fancy interiors and panel won't make it fly any better while adding weight. Although this shows how quickly a modest 180 with wing-x, stol, vg's, LRF, and a low to mid time engine can creep up in value. My feeling is that you really need to be budgeting for $90-$100K to get a "good to go" and on floats C180. Good luck with your search, there are quite a few on the market right now and to me all seem to be a deal as I bought mine pretty well in the peek of things. Keep us posted on how you are making out.... hmmm maybe just how the search is coming.

[Pilot_king!]

Where or what is the best site to view these planes that are on the market.
Im interested in working towards buying a C-185 or C-206 and putting it on floats/skis/wheels.

[Lost Lake]

Hey, what's the matter King Pilot, not getting enough float flying? Or do you have enough time now to start your own air service?

[Pilot_king!]

O Lost Lake, your wit does not amuse me..!

I'm actually learning lots with my present posistion and look forward to my turn on the twotter.

I have a passion for working for myself and doing my own thing, always wanted to take charge and be a leader, it's my personality.

Running the show with a C 185 could be even more fun than flying a twotter. Time will tell...need to starting saing my dollars.


So you got a website to check these out?

[sheephunter]

Trade-a-plane, barnstormers, COPA. There are piles of brokers as well. These will give you an opportunity to explore the "asking" price as well you can follow as to how long they have been listed. The ones that have realistic asking prices seem to move fairly quickly which in my opinion give the current market value. The ones that have been on there for 6 months to a year will provide the over market value. If you google either "cessna 185" or "cessna 206" for sale, you should get all the brokers and other websites. Stancil's usually have a good number of aircraft. You will have lots of options. I wouldn't be surprised that you haven't already been getting pm's with guys wanting to move iron. Personally I like to shop the hangars around the different airports or float bases and talk with the AME's as they usually know what's for sale or what can be bought as well will know the background of a lot of the aircraft they are talking about. Good luck.

[tazin river]

I just spoke to someone who has an aircraft for sale with the O-470J engine and he says that it has -R- crankcase in it, not the J making it compatible with the R-type cylinders if there is a need to replace them. Does that make any sense? Can it be? If it does, can they be replaced one at the time if there is a need for it or do they have to be replaced altogether?

Thanks

[NWONT]

Taz, have you been f*#king listening. Look at the plate on the engine. If it says J its a J as in junk. When was the last time that engine was O/H ed. Was it twenty years ago or more. Engines and cylinders have many AWD's and upgrades on a constant basis. An airplane with a bad engine is like a body with a bad heart. It can be worthless. Airplanes can be worth less than nothing. By this I mean it can cost more to make it airworthy than its worth. Find an engineer that knows his stuff and one you can trust. A C180 can be worth from nothing up to more than $200,000. Be careful man.

[NWONT]

Another thought. When checking your engine be sure to note if the cylinders have been bored oversized. If they have, and many are, they could be on their last legs. The next step is chroming, if these are already chromed, then they have seen a lot of service. Many times rings don't seat well on chrome. Many overhaul shops reuse pistons and other parts that just barely pass inspection, some put shims in the rings, some weld cracked cylinders. Metal can only be heated and cooled so many times before its properties are gone and its junk. Thats why there can be a big difference in the cost of overhauls. Crankshafts can also be ground down and bearings changed to fit. Some engines can have their designations changed at an overhaul shop by changing crankshafts, oil delivery systems, etc. Saving money on an overhaul can cost you dearly farther down the road. There are way too many things to consider than I could list here.

[HS-748 2A]

Here is a good link for 180 specs:

http://www.skywagons.org/uploads/5662-C ... models.doc

[sheephunter]

That's a great link. Thanks for posting it.

[NWONT]

Couple other things to think about. Check the tail stinger. If its a light one when you put a full load in the bird the thing bends way to far. Installing a heavy stinger can be a real chore as the old one has been there for thirty or forty years and it ain't coming out without a fight. Then you will have to buy another tail wheel assem to fit the heavy stinger. This can cost a few thousand dollars. Check to see if this plane has a factory float kit. If its been installed later it will still work OK but won't be near as strong.

[tiny]

Be wary of the mogas stc. If you use much mogas you will end up with sticking valves. Also if you put a newly overhauled engine in, you will be hard pressed to find a shop that will offer any warrenty after you have used mogas.

[HS-748 2A]

About the Mogas - I don't know. Opinions of course, are like sphincters; Everybody's got one.

I'm experimenting with Mogas myself, at the moment. No trouble this season so far. Sheephunter also has used mogas, probably exclusively, and I think he's had pretty good luck with it.

An AMO I worked for several years ago had an outfitter customer with a fleet of airplanes, 180, Beaver & a PA-18. He used Mogas exclusivley in all of them and has had no trouble at all.

The ins-and-outs of Mogas are probably a topic for another thread but the reallity is, on floats, you pretty much need it. Particularilly with the 180 which cannot tanker around a great amount of fuel, your destinations and range are severely limited.

'48

[iflyforpie]

I used to work on a 180F that used MOGAS. Can't for the life of me remember the engine but I believe it was an R. Anyways, wound up doing a top overhaul with a few 0/80s and nothing above 60. Two broken rings (one had just about eaten into the next groove), two burned exhaust valves, and a ton of scoring on the piston skirts.

All from the MOGAS? Not sure, but $1200~1500 a piece for cylinders plus installation equals a lot of fuel. Plugs were super easy to clean though.

[nofate]

I had to have carb on my R model overhauled this summer because it was leaking. The overhauler said there was also problems caused by all the mogas the previous owner burned. I don't know what damage mogas can cause to a carb, but its another thing to look for when shopping for a 180.

[fish4life]

also be extremely careful that wherever you are getting the mogas from that it is 100% gas and 0% ethanol... that ethanol shit will destroy an engine not designed to have it. although most premium gas will be ethanol free its just a thought

[Airtids]

HAD one for sale, looks like she's gone, and I'll miss her!!

Make that HAS . Deal fell through...