Airplane log times vs pilot log times

[Oldguystrtn2fly]

Are you saying you use airtime for your pilot log book? And not flight time?

No, I log Flight time, but I get it from Tach time for Air Time plus .1 to .2 depending on time spent on ground. I do not log exact clock times at start, takeoff, landing, and shutdown. Sorry, I guess I did word that a little awkwardly the first time.

Thank you. Makes perfect sense!

[airway]

The airplane didn't move for the purpose of taking off, it moved for the purpose of buying gas.

Again, by this logic, we should not be logging time spent to taxi to the runup bay to do a runup. The airplane moved for the purpose of doing a runup.

[ahramin]

I would think not. Same thing if you spend an hour practicing emergency procedures in the cockpit before going flying.

[photofly]

What if you do an hour of ground handling and fast taxi runs, followed by a single circuit for 0.1 airtime? What could you record in your personal log?

[AirFrame]

The airplane didn't move for the purpose of taking off, it moved for the purpose of buying gas.

Again, by this logic, we should not be logging time spent to taxi to the runup bay to do a runup. The airplane moved for the purpose of doing a runup.

If the purpose of starting the engine was to take off, it counts. Getting to the runway, doing your runup, getting clearances, are all part of the Flight.

Going for gas is not, because your purpose on *that* startup was just to get gas. You'll shut down to do so. Next engine start is next flight movement.

[AirFrame]

What if you do an hour of ground handling and fast taxi runs, followed by a single circuit for 0.1 airtime? What could you record in your personal log?

According to the AIM, 1.1. "Flight Time is the total time from the moment an aircraft first moves under its own power for the purpose of taking off until the moment it comes to rest at the end of the flight."

[photofly]

So is that a yes or a no?

[Spokes]

What about time on floats spent learning sailing, docking, beaching etc. You could spend an hour or more in the plane and not leave the water.

[ahramin]

What about a rejected takeoff? Airplane moved for the purpose of taking off but didn't actually take off.

[digits_]

Or what if you cancel the flight because the student just sucks at taxiing
You had the intention of going flying though initially.

[photofly]

Or what if you were just going to taxi, and changed your mind later and went flying without shutting down. Can you log from when the aircraft first moved, or only from when you changed your mind? Or from when you first had the idea you might fly even if you weren't quite sure at that time?

[ahramin]

Personally, I had a situation once where the second engine wouldn't start and we had to return to the gate. Flight time about .5 and no air time. We had to log it in the aircraft log, it showed up on our company pilot logbook report, but I didn't log it in my personal log. It counted towards my duty day and total flight time limit though so technically I guess I should have and I certainly wouldn't say there is anything wrong with logging it.

[AirFrame]

So is that a yes or a no?

You didn't ask a yes or no question?

[AirFrame]

What if the pilot is wearing blue underwear, and the passenger is wearing red? Log what you want to, just try to be consistent about it. The reality is that nobody will ever read it in this amount of detail.

[Oldguystrtn2fly]

What if the pilot is wearing blue underwear, and the passenger is wearing red? Log what you want to, just try to be consistent about it. The reality is that nobody will ever read it in this amount of detail.

Underwear of different colours is allowed as long as its a pilot to passenger comparison. Pilots and copilots must have matching underwear, just color, not size. Says so in the CARS, 17-5(13)

[CD]

Log what you want to, just try to be consistent about it. The reality is that nobody will ever read it in this amount of detail.

There are 63 pages of comments discussing the issue in the following thread, so there are some folks that are looking at it in detail.

Flight Time Vs. Air Time Personal Logbook