fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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FreelanceInstructor wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:07 am
Oldguystrtn2fly wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:59 am My instructor told me after three or four lessons to put away the checklist so i could learn to do it from memory......
I do actually agree with this approach....some what. I am a huge advocate for flow checks, coupled with using the checklist as a true check list. When you go to the grocery store, you pick out the crap you need, then go through the list to make sure everything was in the cart. Using this approach, there is an added level of safety that really only takes a few extra moments. However, until you fully understand why you are doing the items on the checklist while completing a flow check, you can't just put away the checklist and learn it from memory. Moral of the story, however you decide to do the required tasks, always always always follow it up with the checklist. If not, you'll end up a statistic at some point.
So for a student pilot, yes or no to the checklist....you must also be a part time politician...yes dont use it, sort of use it and then always use it to check yourself after not using it....sometimes
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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My last instructor told me I can’t use two hands on the yoke for steep turns.
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My last instructor told me I can’t use two hands on the yoke for steep turns.
Why not?
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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Oldguystrtn2fly wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 7:11 am
FreelanceInstructor wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:07 am
Oldguystrtn2fly wrote: Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:59 am My instructor told me after three or four lessons to put away the checklist so i could learn to do it from memory......
I do actually agree with this approach....some what. I am a huge advocate for flow checks, coupled with using the checklist as a true check list. When you go to the grocery store, you pick out the crap you need, then go through the list to make sure everything was in the cart. Using this approach, there is an added level of safety that really only takes a few extra moments. However, until you fully understand why you are doing the items on the checklist while completing a flow check, you can't just put away the checklist and learn it from memory. Moral of the story, however you decide to do the required tasks, always always always follow it up with the checklist. If not, you'll end up a statistic at some point.
So for a student pilot, yes or no to the checklist....you must also be a part time politician...yes dont use it, sort of use it and then always use it to check yourself after not using it....sometimes
The answer is pretty simple actually, it’s a bit of both if you actually spent a little time reading through my post. To start, yes. The use of the checklist is important. However, once the student is familiar with the checklist and why they are doing what they are doing, then a flow check followed up with the checklist as an added safety margin is really, in my opinion, the safest way of doing things. Don’t overthink things too much. I’ve had a lot of success with teaching my students. If it works, it works. However it’s taught, as long as it works, there’s really no problem. And no, I’m not a politician. Just a dude who’s sick and tired of FTUisms who’s looking out for the best interest of my students. Have fun over analyzing my reply to your bullshit response. Just because I don’t agree with the way you think of things, doesn’t make my opinion of things incorrect.
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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C.W.E. wrote: Fri Oct 04, 2019 9:00 am
My last instructor told me I can’t use two hands on the yoke for steep turns.
Why not?
No real reason given, just "it's not allowed."
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When your instructor doesn't know what flight following is (I heard that from a friend)
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FWIW:

25 years military on pistons, jets, helicopters: all memory
15 years corporate: pre-flight, pre-start, start/post start checks all memory. Everything else checklist; taxi, take-off, etc.
6 years TC: checklist.
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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digits_ wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:57 pm
CanadianBird wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:35 pm
digits_ wrote: Wed Oct 02, 2019 1:00 pm What's wrong with the first one? Targetting a specified speed shows that you can control the airplane in slow flight, no?
He said "target a specific power setting and speed". Both will differ with wind conditions, altitude, direction of wind. You can't just "Pull it back to 1800 rpm and slow up". Plus, that's not what the reasoning is for slow flight. It's to understand what it feels like just before a stall. If you are looking at only airspeed and power settings to determine when you might stall, I suggest you fins a new instructor as well.
I agree with the general idea of your post, but ehh... power settings differing with wind conditions and direction of wind?
Headwind vs Tailwind.... Think about it for a minute.....
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CanadianBird wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:22 am
Headwind vs Tailwind.... Think about it for a minute.....

You are saying that the power setting and IAS (not GS, IAS...) required to enter and maintain slow flight depends on wind? Think about it for a minute...
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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the-minister31 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:27 am
CanadianBird wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:22 am
Headwind vs Tailwind.... Think about it for a minute.....

You are saying that the power setting and IAS (not GS, IAS...) required to enter and maintain slow flight depends on wind? Think about it for a minute...
I"m saying they will be different. They won't be identical. Attitude, GS won't be the same. You'll require different power settings to achieve IAS at different attitudes.
You're telling me that you can fly into a 15 kt headwind, obtain slow flight... Then do a 180, and using the exact same power, and attitude and be back into a similar slow flight situation while maintaining altitude?
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CanadianBird wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:22 am
I"m saying they will be different. They won't be identical. Attitude, GS won't be the same. You'll require different power settings to achieve IAS at different attitudes.
You're telling me that you can fly into a 15 kt headwind, obtain slow flight... Then do a 180, and using the exact same power, and attitude and be back into a similar slow flight situation?
Yes, exactly. The ONLY thing that will change is GS. Lots of thing will affect slow flight parameters : weight, CG, air density, turbulence, etc. but wind is sure as hell not one of them !

Exercice 11 in the well known purple Flight Training Manual...
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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the-minister31 wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:44 am
CanadianBird wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:22 am
I"m saying they will be different. They won't be identical. Attitude, GS won't be the same. You'll require different power settings to achieve IAS at different attitudes.
You're telling me that you can fly into a 15 kt headwind, obtain slow flight... Then do a 180, and using the exact same power, and attitude and be back into a similar slow flight situation?
Yes, exactly. The ONLY thing that will change is GS. Lots of thing will affect slow flight parameters : weight, CG, air density, turbulence, etc. but wind is sure as hell not one of them !

Exercice 11 in the well known purple Flight Training Manual...
Right... you don't obtain more lift in a headwind than a tailwind. There's going to be a difference. It may be minimal, but there will be a difference in power setting and attitude of the aircraft in opposite directions.
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CanadianBird wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:56 am Right... you don't obtain more lift in a headwind than a tailwind. There's going to be a difference. It may be minimal, but there will be a difference in power setting and attitude of the aircraft in opposite directions.
I'd like to see where you got that from, because HW or TW the IAS will be the same, relative wind is exactly the same... Lift and drag will be the same...
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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CanadianBird wrote: Thu Oct 17, 2019 10:56 am Right... you don't obtain more lift in a headwind than a tailwind. There's going to be a difference. It may be minimal, but there will be a difference in power setting and attitude of the aircraft in opposite directions.
What would be the reason for a difference based on direction?
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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you don't obtain more lift in a headwind than a tailwind. There's going to be a difference. It may be minimal, but there will be a difference in power setting and attitude of the aircraft in opposite directions.
So if I am flying a constant rate of turn and maintaining the same altitude flying in a circle in cloud how do I know when to change the power and attitude?
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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Lots of people die every year turning from tailwinds to headwinds and visa versa. Remember to throttle back or throttle up.

And everyone knows that the way to land is the fishing for a greaser method. If an instructor tells you otherwise you should find another one.
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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Zaibatsu wrote: Fri Oct 18, 2019 1:20 pm Lots of people die every year turning from tailwinds to headwinds and visa versa. Remember to throttle back or throttle up.
That is because of the illusion it creates. You either end up slipping or skiding in a turn at low altitude and low speed. There's a good risk of spin. It has nothing to do with power. In fact reducing power in a headwind to tailwind turn (trying to counteract the increase in GS) will bring you closer to a stall.

Watch the airspeed, apply rudder properly, you'll be fine, no need to add or reduce power.
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Re: fifty reasons to find a new instructor

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Has flying training really gotten to this level where basic knowledge such as this is so lacking?
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