Is my vision too bad to be a pilot in Canada?

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Is my vision too bad to be a pilot in Canada?

Post by bl235 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 2:33 pm

I have myopia -8.0. I wear contacts and have glasses.

On websites it says that in the UK pilots cannot exceed -6.0 myopia and in the US you cannot exceed -8.0.

but on the transport Canada medical website it is a little less clear about the limits -

The applicant shall be required to have a distant visual acuity of not less than 6/9 (20/30) in each eye separately, with or without the use of correcting lenses. Where this standard of visual acuity can be obtained only with correcting lenses the applicant shall be assessed fit provided that (a) such correcting lenses are worn when exercising the privileges of the licence or rating applied for or held;
(b) the applicant possesses a visual acuity without correction in each eye separately, not less than 6/60 (20/200) and the refractive error falls within the range of ± 3.0 diopters (equivalent spherical error);

I do not know what my visual acuity is without contacts or if -8.0 myopia is less than 6/9 (20/30)

Thanks for any help
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Post by DCL415 » Wed Oct 02, 2019 6:29 pm

Go and visit an CAME (Civil Aviation Medical Examiner) and get your medical done. In my understanding while your glasses get you a 20/20 or 20/25 correction you are good to go
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Post by snowcrest » Thu Oct 03, 2019 1:25 pm

I know students at my commercial flight school who are blind as a bat but still hold a cat 1 medical.

As long as you possess 20/30 corrected you're A1.

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Post by lhalliday » Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:02 pm

Bear in mind that even if you pass a Cat 1 medical and get your CPL, that level of myopia may still be career-limiting.

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Post by bl235 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:53 am

lhalliday wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:02 pm
Bear in mind that even if you pass a Cat 1 medical and get your CPL, that level of myopia may still be career-limiting.

...laura
what are the concerns that would make it career limiting?

thank you to the above poster for the link to finding a doctor. I would prefer to avoid paying the $250 fee if my vision right out disqualifies me, but I guess the best thing is just to go ahead and do the medical. It sounds like I do have a chance.
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Post by Beefitarian » Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:26 am

Phone them and ask directly, "These are my vision stats. Do you think I could get a Cat. 1 medical?"

Most of them are willing to answer a few questions over the phone. Every Transport Doctor I have ever seen was there to help and willing to answer my questions.
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Post by bl235 » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:52 am

Beefitarian wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 10:26 am
Phone them and ask directly, "These are my vision stats. Do you think I could get a Cat. 1 medical?"

Most of them are willing to answer a few questions over the phone. Every Transport Doctor I have ever seen was there to help and willing to answer my questions.
I did, I called and spoke to doctors receptionist and told her I have -8.0 myopia. She did ask me to bring in a recent eye exam, so that is what I am doing today. she wasn't able to offer any other advice.
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Post by Beefitarian » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:53 pm

Well, I hope you get good news.
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Post by dialdriver » Wed Oct 09, 2019 3:52 pm

bl235 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:53 am
lhalliday wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:02 pm
Bear in mind that even if you pass a Cat 1 medical and get your CPL, that level of myopia may still be career-limiting.

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If you have a Cat 1 medical, that would be grounds for a complaint to the Canadian Human Rights Commission.
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Post by lhalliday » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:38 pm

bl235 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:53 am
lhalliday wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:02 pm
Bear in mind that even if you pass a Cat 1 medical and get your CPL, that level of myopia may still be career-limiting.

...laura
what are the concerns that would make it career limiting?
Employers may have medical standards that differ from those of Transport Canada.

Given two equally-qualified candidates, one with excellent vision and one without, I know which one I'd hire. Human rights is irrelevant; being able to see where you're going is a bona fide occupational requirement for a pilot.

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Post by dialdriver » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:51 pm

lhalliday wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:38 pm
bl235 wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 9:53 am
lhalliday wrote:
Thu Oct 03, 2019 2:02 pm
Bear in mind that even if you pass a Cat 1 medical and get your CPL, that level of myopia may still be career-limiting.

...laura
what are the concerns that would make it career limiting?
Employers may have medical standards that differ from those of Transport Canada.

Given two equally-qualified candidates, one with excellent vision and one without, I know which one I'd hire. Human rights is irrelevant; being able to see where you're going is a bona fide occupational requirement for a pilot.

...laura
An employer that has different standards than Transport Canada would be required to demonstrate a Bona Fide Occupational Requirement (BFOR) for them, that cannot be accommodated without undue hardship. Failure to do so would be grounds for a complaint of discrimination.
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Re: Is my vision too bad to be a pilot in Canada?

Post by DHC driver » Sat Oct 12, 2019 3:38 pm

My vision is similar to yours - 8.5 in one eye, 7.5 in the other - no issues with my Cat 1 at any point. Military flying was not an option for me because of this, but as far as I know there are no other barriers as long as it is correctable with no complications.
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Re: Is my vision too bad to be a pilot in Canada?

Post by photofly » Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:49 pm

dialdriver wrote:
Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:51 pm

An employer that has different standards than Transport Canada would be required to demonstrate a Bona Fide Occupational Requirement (BFOR) for them, that cannot be accommodated without undue hardship. Failure to do so would be grounds for a complaint of discrimination.
Discrimination isn’t unlawful; unlawful discrimination is unlawful. You can lawfully discriminate against people for lots of reasons, and employers do, every time they select one candidate over another. Just not (other than for a bona fide occupational requirement) on a number of enumerated protected grounds, like race, sex, religion etc.

It’s actually quite a tough call - is poor (but correctable) eyesight a “disability”? If it is, you can’t discriminate against someone for it, but if not, then fill your boots and choose the pilot who sees better.

The “optics” - no pun intended - of a licenced commercial pilot claiming to be visually disabled and therefore protected from discrimination on that ground - are curious, to say the least.
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