photofly wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2019 4:50 pm
So can we reach a consensus on the following:
"Uhhh... aaaaand.... C-GABC with you, now currently showing about approximately 3.43 miles east of Sumspot at this time, conflicting traffic please advise..."
I am disappointed in my fellow instructors here
Let me help you with some corrections
"Uhhh... aaaaand.... Piper PA 28 Warrior Two C-GABC with you, now currently showing about approximately 3.43 miles east of Sumspot at this time, Ummmm Errr descending towards the airport and following Goats Run Lane, aaaaaaand conflicting traffic please advise, over ..."
"Uhhh...advisory traffic on 126.7.... aaaaand.... Piper PA 28 Warrior Two C-GABC with you, now currently showing about approximately 3.43 miles east of Sumspot at this time, Ummmm Errr descending towards the airport and following Goats Run Lane, aaaaaaand conflicting traffic please advise, over ..."
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5x5 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 20, 2019 12:05 am
While we’re at it, one more little correction...
"Uhhh...advisory traffic on 126.7.... aaaaand.... Piper PA 28 Warrior Two C-GABC with you, now currently showing about approximately 3.43 miles east of Sumspot at this time, Ummmm Errr descending towards the airport and following Goats Run Lane, aaaaaaand conflicting traffic please advise, over ..."
Let’s not forget the ten minute back and forth for a “resolution advisory” between two or more planes occupying the same 200 cubic miles of airspace. Always laterally and looking and continuing to call.. rather than vertically and forgetting.
The latest one I’ve noticed and it’s spread everywhere is “we have the field in sight, we can cancel the IFR”.
1). You don’t have to have the field in sight to cancel IFR. Just cancel IFR if you feel the weather will get you to the airport VFR, or if you have the field in sight you don’t need to tell everyone.
2). Or... just say “field in sight” and you’ll be cleared for a visual approach providing there is no other traffic, or simply call that traffic in sight as well.
3) For god’s sake don’t ask for a visual, get cleared one, and then cancel IFR. It makes no difference to how you fly but jams up the radio. If by chance there is someone waiting on the ground at an uncontrolled aerodrome waiting for you... do the good thing and cancel right away, or stay off the radio and let them ask for a VFR release on that obviously nice day.
"we have the field visual if it helps" => "field/runway in sight"
"we can cancel IFR" => well, are you cancelling IFR? It creates quite a bit of ambiguity, with ATC trying to clarify and wasting frequency bandwith. Either say "cancel IFR" or keep quiet.
[after blabla 123 already made contact with xXX center]
" XXX Center, Blabla 123, request"
- "Blabla 123, go ahead"
" if possible, I'd like to put in a request for flight level 340" => "Blabla 123, request flight level 340"
You're talking to an ATC center frequency. They are listening on the radio, it's literally their job.
Carry on...
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