455tt wrote: ↑Sun Jun 21, 2020 2:10 am
OK fine - no TC references, just your confident opinion that logging cross country experience is a joke, and one can log pretty much whatever one wants to.
But if you could please respond honestly, for purposes of your own PPL and CPL, which would have been reviewed by your instructor, CFI, AP and TC at the time of your application for licence, did your pilot logbook include all of your short jaunts to the local training areas as cross country flights, as others here have claimed they did, or were these local jaunts excluded from your early days of cross country experience? I mean if it was .2 or .3 hrs each way, that's .4 or .6 hours per flight that you would have logged as cross country, making for a rather sizable amount of cross country experience at the time of your applications for licence.
As you will know, applications for PPL land CPL are supported in the "Experience" requirement by a Pilot Training Record, which the responsibility to complete lies with the instructor, and the responsibility to check lies with the CFI or his or her delegate. The instructor doesn't review it, he fills it in.
A flight school typically doesn't get involved in what a student writes in their personal log. That's why it's a personal log.
My understanding is that (at least during PPL and CPL flight training sorties) cross country experience can be claimed whenever navigational skills (as taught) are being used; therefore, whenever you have drawn up a navigational log, prepared a chart for a flight and estimated an ETA, and navigate by maintaining a steady heading correcting your track and arrival time by reference to your pre-prepared materials, then you can credit that portion to your cross-country experience. That would include carrying out an in-flight diversion in the manner which a flight test examiner might ask you to do.
If you do that a few times on your way to wherever you practice your air-work (which is a great idea) include that much of the flight in the x-c column. If you do it on the way back, likewise. If you do it every single time to the practice area, include it every single time. But you're unlikely to have prepared the flight in this manner on your way to learn and practice exercise 5 or 6.
The requirement that not all x-c time be logged in ten or twenty minute increments is satisfied by the requirement of the (e.g., for the PPL) 150nm x-c. Other than that there's no requirement for distance, duration or purpose of individual flights for which x-c time is claimed. Unless there's a direction from TC licencing that it be otherwise, there's no reason to invent one.
DId you hear the one about the jurisprudence fetishist? He got off on a technicality.