I'm a mom of 3. If you don't prepare and plan, they will EAT you ALIVE.
Also, like to be more prepared than not. Like bringing a winter kit...may not need it...but I want everything in it.
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I'm a mom of 3. If you don't prepare and plan, they will EAT you ALIVE.
You should see my winter auto kit. It has everything right down to a plumbing torch to work stuck lug nuts loose.
THAT is impressive!!!RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: ↑Sat Nov 28, 2020 6:25 pmYou should see my winter auto kit. It has everything right down to a plumbing torch to work stuck lug nuts loose.
I am calling this post a troll. Nobody started any Career, or job for that matter, at the very top. And to expect anything like your so called “dream” to materialize is a joke.newlygrounded wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:37 pm A few years ago I started with a goal of working for a big airline in a few years, I was in my mid 20's and didn't have to money to commit to flying so I just studied theory and saved up for the flying. 4 years later I've been flying as much as I can but due to weather and how busy schools have been I'm multiple years into getting a PPL and there is still no end in sight! A lot of drama at the school has really taken the wind out of my sails as well.
Even in the best of times a year ago the industry entails 5 or 6 years of poverty wages living somewhere far away (so all your income goes to rent) before you get get into one of our two major carriers. If you don't own a place you're SOL and unlikely to ever be able to afford ot buy one.
Even once your in the pay, and job security is pretty terrible for the first few years. It looks like things are actually going to be even worse after the recovery due to weak bargaining.
I'm not sure if anyone else will disagree but I feel if you're in your 20's or 30's this career will take a giant bite out of you, and washing out with leave you with a lot of regret.
You're probably the same guy who bought his house for 1/5th of the prices now then get mad when young people complain about rent.Kejidog wrote: ↑Sun Nov 29, 2020 8:03 pmI am calling this post a troll. Nobody started any Career, or job for that matter, at the very top. And to expect anything like your so called “dream” to materialize is a joke.newlygrounded wrote: ↑Wed Nov 25, 2020 8:37 pm A few years ago I started with a goal of working for a big airline in a few years, I was in my mid 20's and didn't have to money to commit to flying so I just studied theory and saved up for the flying. 4 years later I've been flying as much as I can but due to weather and how busy schools have been I'm multiple years into getting a PPL and there is still no end in sight! A lot of drama at the school has really taken the wind out of my sails as well.
Even in the best of times a year ago the industry entails 5 or 6 years of poverty wages living somewhere far away (so all your income goes to rent) before you get get into one of our two major carriers. If you don't own a place you're SOL and unlikely to ever be able to afford ot buy one.
Even once your in the pay, and job security is pretty terrible for the first few years. It looks like things are actually going to be even worse after the recovery due to weak bargaining.
I'm not sure if anyone else will disagree but I feel if you're in your 20's or 30's this career will take a giant bite out of you, and washing out with leave you with a lot of regret.
It’s called life and yes it’s hard. You have to work and suck stuff up. The time you apparently spent on your so called training shows to me your commitment to working hard, in my opinion. How many flight hours do you actually have?
Maybe ask around to anyone over 50 who is successful what they did in their 20’s and 30’s and i bet it will be similar to what you describe as being the “ once you’re in” scenario. Jobs are fleeting and unsecure at any time like you describe as now. And i will assure you, they stared at the entry level and worked their asses off, i bet. and if you see them as successful and achieving their goals it is, I guarantee you because of hard work and dedication. Not luck or being “given” something. What i did during my 20’s to get to where i am today was a result of hard work dedication and the application of learning and self improvement. I am just a lowly PPL so you can take my advise for what it is worth. But remember this even doctors need to intern and work 12 hour days for no pay. Let that sink in.
I usually don’t feed trolls but i am seeing this whole sense of entitlement being displayed by the younger generation more and more in not just work situations but in day to day interactions with younger people more and more. As if coming to work to give service is doing me some sort of favour; or thinking that because they are here now they deserve to be a CEO or whatever. I have to work constantly to correct my kids when they display this behaviour but i fear they will be well amongst the minority.
I can’t believe anyone seriously thinks this way or expects to be at a major airline in a couple of years and taking two or more to accomplish a ppl.
I'm sorry, I usually stay out of these discussions, but this is simply untrue. It is hurtful, and insulting to people starting out today. Real wages, adjusted for inflation, have barely budged in 40 years. In that time the cost of a house has tripled (give or take... I may be exaggerating here but the point remains valid). Millenials are the first generation in living memory to earn less than their parents. (And for the record, no, I am not a millenial, so don't go there)Kejidog wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:23 pm You're probably the same guy who bought his house for 1/5th of the prices now then get mad when young people complain about rent.
Yeah buddy i did while making 1/3 the wages that the same people are paid today. Ever hear of inflation? As i said before. It’s called life. Grow a set. And no, you or your situation is special or harder. If anything you have it way easier. Interest rates in the double digits? Yeah i have seen it and lived it. Every generation goes through hardships. We just did our best. But hey keep feeling sorry for yourself. Maybe you’re entitled to some compensation for your hardship. And i am done feeding trolls
This is all very true.RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:46 pmI'm sorry, I usually stay out of these discussions, but this is simply untrue. It is hurtful, and insulting to people starting out today. Real wages, adjusted for inflation, have barely budged in 40 years. In that time the cost of a house has tripled (give or take... I may be exaggerating here but the point remains valid). Millenials are the first generation in living memory to earn less than their parents. (And for the record, no, I am not a millenial, so don't go there)Kejidog wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:23 pm You're probably the same guy who bought his house for 1/5th of the prices now then get mad when young people complain about rent.
Yeah buddy i did while making 1/3 the wages that the same people are paid today. Ever hear of inflation? As i said before. It’s called life. Grow a set. And no, you or your situation is special or harder. If anything you have it way easier. Interest rates in the double digits? Yeah i have seen it and lived it. Every generation goes through hardships. We just did our best. But hey keep feeling sorry for yourself. Maybe you’re entitled to some compensation for your hardship. And i am done feeding trolls
https://financialpost.com/personal-fina ... -inflation
https://globalnews.ca/news/3531614/aver ... -stagnant/
(I can find more citations, but for now two of them from opposite ends of the political spectrum is enough)
And here's the evidence, from the Bank Of Canada, comparing the cost of a house to real wages:
https://www.bankofcanada.ca/2015/08/lon ... se-prices/
As a percentage of average income, the cost of the average house in Canada has gone up 50% since 1995 alone.
Get your head out of the sand. It really is harder to enter the housing market today.
rookiepilot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 4:01 pmThis is all very true.RedAndWhiteBaron wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:46 pmI'm sorry, I usually stay out of these discussions, but this is simply untrue. It is hurtful, and insulting to people starting out today. Real wages, adjusted for inflation, have barely budged in 40 years. In that time the cost of a house has tripled (give or take... I may be exaggerating here but the point remains valid). Millenials are the first generation in living memory to earn less than their parents. (And for the record, no, I am not a millenial, so don't go there)Kejidog wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:23 pm You're probably the same guy who bought his house for 1/5th of the prices now then get mad when young people complain about rent.
Yeah buddy i did while making 1/3 the wages that the same people are paid today. Ever hear of inflation? As i said before. It’s called life. Grow a set. And no, you or your situation is special or harder. If anything you have it way easier. Interest rates in the double digits? Yeah i have seen it and lived it. Every generation goes through hardships. We just did our best. But hey keep feeling sorry for yourself. Maybe you’re entitled to some compensation for your hardship. And i am done feeding trolls
https://financialpost.com/personal-fina ... -inflation
https://globalnews.ca/news/3531614/aver ... -stagnant/
(I can find more citations, but for now two of them from opposite ends of the political spectrum is enough)
And here's the evidence, from the Bank Of Canada, comparing the cost of a house to real wages:
https://www.bankofcanada.ca/2015/08/lon ... se-prices/
As a percentage of average income, the cost of the average house in Canada has gone up 50% since 1995 alone.
Get your head out of the sand. It really is harder to enter the housing market today.
However it doesn't change the choices on whether to play or not.
One doesn't HAVE to own a house, nor own one in a large city.
One doesn't have to drop tens of thousands on flight training.
Neither were remotely an option for me, until well into my 30's.
Live smaller, simpler, cheaper, happier.
If anyone you disagree with is a troll in your mind you're going to have an incredibly hard time seeing others circumstances.Kejidog wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 3:23 pm You're probably the same guy who bought his house for 1/5th of the prices now then get mad when young people complain about rent.
Yeah buddy i did while making 1/3 the wages that the same people are paid today. Ever hear of inflation? As i said before. It’s called life. Grow a set. And no, you or your situation is special or harder. If anything you have it way easier. Interest rates in the double digits? Yeah i have seen it and lived it. Every generation goes through hardships. We just did our best. But hey keep feeling sorry for yourself. Maybe you’re entitled to some compensation for your hardship. And i am done feeding trolls
Deleteddigits_ wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:59 pmHe's got a valid point though.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:51 pmAre you A) making fun of depression?newlygrounded wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 9:20 am
For someone who has made a post about depression you don't seem to be very good at standing in someone else's shoes. You don't know the sacrifices people make to do the things they do. A small river will carve out a huge valley given enough time.
Or B ) are depressed yourself?
If it's really B) I suspect the reasons might run deeper than the status of flight training.
If it's A) we have nothing more to discuss.
"Talk about depression, reach out... except if I find the reason not serious enough, then shut up".
If you start comparing the shit life has thrown at you as a benchmark to decide whether or not someone has the right to call himself depressed or burned out, you're destroying everything you've tried to build up in other threads.
I’m disappointed in you. That story usually ends on how they refused to continue service and escorted you out.Beefitarian wrote: ↑Tue Dec 01, 2020 5:30 pm I went to wing night and ordered WAY too many wings.
After a few hours, had to give up.
I looked at a few other threads here and one titled (I'm paraphrasing) Non aviation employers don't value flying jobs. And it seems it's still the case a CPL is basically a boat anchor when trying to apply for jobs. I'm not looking for security in aviation (I know that's a pipe dream)ayseven wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:04 am In the 80's it took 2 years working minimum wage (for a small airline, of course - wages never were very good), paying my parents rent, and flying on weekends. I thought that was a long time then.
Can I interject though about the "young vs old" thing? In the early 80's. Some of us could not get work in McDonalds, WITH our CPL, so yes, times change, and things are hard now for sure, but it is very difficult to compare. It was always hopeless to buy a house in a big city. So I moved... I sense the OP wants a bit of "security" or certainty in the path to glory, and everlasting bliss. There isn't any in aviation, and not really in anything else either. Attitude. I wish I knew that in my 20's...
I'm not depressed or medically burnt out, but at this point I no longer enjoy flying or the idea of it (if I was to ever get my license)rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 05, 2020 8:10 amIs it still the consensus on this thread the OP is seriously, medically burnt out and depressed?digits_ wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 4:59 pmHe's got a valid point though.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Fri Nov 27, 2020 3:51 pm
Are you A) making fun of depression?
Or B ) are depressed yourself?
If it's really B) I suspect the reasons might run deeper than the status of flight training.
If it's A) we have nothing more to discuss.
"Talk about depression, reach out... except if I find the reason not serious enough, then shut up".
If you start comparing the shit life has thrown at you as a benchmark to decide whether or not someone has the right to call himself depressed or burned out, you're destroying everything you've tried to build up in other threads.
Asking for a friend.
You're really coming off as too faced when you make all these posts about the importance of acknowledging depression and then you turn around and become the Gate keeper.rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Dec 06, 2020 9:06 am First world problems.
Sorry.
In the scheme of the suffering of 2020.....