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Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by LOCBC » Mon Sep 08, 2008 8:52 am

Which one is better? any information will be great.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by Lurch » Mon Sep 08, 2008 1:08 pm

In what regards?

Work for?
Train with?

There are more then just the two schools in Calgary. Eight in total why just these two?

A lot of info is available just need to be more specific

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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by 200hr Wonder » Mon Sep 08, 2008 3:09 pm

Do a search there are at least six topics on this topic. Search Springbank/Calgary Flight Schools.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by bamf » Tue Sep 09, 2008 3:05 pm

I am currently attending the Calgary Flying Club for my private flying license. I really enjoy it there, they are a association that is really involved with their members. I also find the instructors very good and hands on regarding training, they are not there to just put in the hours to move on, they actually are there to teach you.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by ygeflyguy » Tue Sep 09, 2008 4:57 pm

Well you're right about one thing, they do love their members with their own planes. The ones that have to rent however... :toimonster:
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by Cat Attack » Tue Sep 09, 2008 5:28 pm

If your just looking for a flight school in general there's a great little school in Okotoks, Skywings. Only 2 airplanes but you can almost book an airplane the next day and there is hardly ever traffic. It's super quiet and they have really nice and talented instructors there.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by shamrock104 » Tue Sep 09, 2008 6:56 pm

Whos the CFI at Okotoks these days?
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by Lurch » Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:35 pm

shamrock104 wrote:Whos the CFI at Okotoks these days?
Klark still

Cat attack sounds like a biased opinion, do you work there?
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by k411 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 12:51 pm

NOT CFTC, I have been there for nearly 2 years trying to get my ppl, and in that time there has been 3 CFI's, a good 8 or more instructors that have left, now down to two (one has for less than a month, so they were down to one for awhile), office staff only in on weekends, instructors that will cancel your flights for no reason (I have had more flights cancelled than gone ahead... Instructors that will choose not to stay the full day and leave early because they don't feel like it (mostly awhile ago, like in the spring, instructors would not show up at groundschool because they didnt feel like teaching it), Aircraft down for large amounts of time (they have been down to 1 katana for a solid 3-4 months), they are missing a bunch of the small things, for example they haven't done solo pictures and traditions like that for a long time, they have not been very organized since they moved to High river, and in general, things have just been below par lately. Don't get me wrong, the high river idea was really good, as it is less busy than CYYC, no landing fee's, and ground time is way shorter than it was in Calgary. CFC is really good though from what I have heard, especially with the little things, like a pilots lounge, a restaurant in the building, ramp staff that actually take care of the planes, and from what I read on their website, it sounds like they have a maintainance dep't, so their aircraft aren't down for so long, and a day isnt wasted ferrying aircraft between maintainance and the field.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by shitdisturber » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:02 pm

k411 wrote:NOT CFTC, I have been there for nearly 2 years trying to get my ppl, and in that time there has been 3 CFI's, a good 8 or more instructors that have left, now down to two (one has for less than a month, so they were down to one for awhile), office staff only in on weekends, instructors that will cancel your flights for no reason (I have had more flights cancelled than gone ahead... Instructors that will choose not to stay the full day and leave early because they don't feel like it (mostly awhile ago, like in the spring, instructors would not show up at groundschool because they didnt feel like teaching it), Aircraft down for large amounts of time (they have been down to 1 katana for a solid 3-4 months), they are missing a bunch of the small things, for example they haven't done solo pictures and traditions like that for a long time, they have not been very organized since they moved to High river, and in general, things have just been below par lately. Don't get me wrong, the high river idea was really good, as it is less busy than CYYC, no landing fee's, and ground time is way shorter than it was in Calgary. CFC is really good though from what I have heard, especially with the little things, like a pilots lounge, a restaurant in the building, ramp staff that actually take care of the planes, and from what I read on their website, it sounds like they have a maintainance dep't, so their aircraft aren't down for so long, and a day isnt wasted ferrying aircraft between maintainance and the field.
Not as an expression of an opinion, since I don't have one on the subject; but the maintenance is now being done by the AMO across the ramp.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by _dwj_ » Sat Sep 20, 2008 3:24 pm

I haven't dealt with CFTC, but I've done some training at CFC and they are very good, highly professional, great CFI who has been there for a few years (Pierre). The only problem is that, like most schools at YBW, it's incredibly busy. When I was there 2 years ago you had to book instructors 1 month in advance and every lesson involved lots of taxiing. From what I hear it's worse now.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by k411 » Sat Sep 20, 2008 6:16 pm

shitdisturber wrote:
Not as an expression of an opinion, since I don't have one on the subject; but the maintenance is now being done by the AMO across the ramp.
Yeah, I know that, but i think they still deal a little with their old one, for example the one katana that is down is still at the old one as far as I know
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by scavers » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:51 pm

_dwj_ wrote:I haven't dealt with CFTC, but I've done some training at CFC and they are very good, highly professional, great CFI who has been there for a few years (Pierre). The only problem is that, like most schools at YBW, it's incredibly busy. When I was there 2 years ago you had to book instructors 1 month in advance and every lesson involved lots of taxiing. From what I hear it's worse now.
Lots of taxiing? IMHO - 1.0 air, 1.3 hobbs isn't bad...
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by I Я Instructor » Sun Sep 21, 2008 7:32 pm

Springbank Aero Flight Training at the ESSO... guaranteed availability the same day ;)
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by MyMeowCat » Sun Sep 21, 2008 10:30 pm

I Я Instructor wrote:Springbank Aero Flight Training at the ESSO... guaranteed availability the same day ;)
Yeah --- I used to fly at the CFC but gave it up and hope to do it somewhere else and also still waiting out the whole instructor shortage thing.

Considering how busy CYBW is --- I wonder why Springbank Aero is so "available" :rolleyes:

For those of you who are actually training in Calgary these days --- just wondering what's it like in general these days :rolleyes:
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by _dwj_ » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:19 am

scavers wrote:
Lots of taxiing? IMHO - 1.0 air, 1.3 hobbs isn't bad...
You're right, CFC isn't too bad since it's close to the runways. SATC is worse, as you have to taxi past all the hangers to get anywhere.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by scavers » Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:43 pm

_dwj_ wrote:
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Lots of taxiing? IMHO - 1.0 air, 1.3 hobbs isn't bad...
You're right, CFC isn't too bad since it's close to the runways. SATC is worse, as you have to taxi past all the hangers to get anywhere.
I can do that in MY plane south of C
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by I Я Instructor » Tue Sep 23, 2008 4:31 pm

MyMeowCat wrote:
Considering how busy CYBW is --- I wonder why Springbank Aero is so "available" :rolleyes:
We're not busy for 2 reasons.

#1. Most people drive down the main road and don't realize there's a school just around the corner.
#2. Under previous management they put all their money on foreign students. Foreign students left, locals see #1.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by Lurch » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:38 pm

I Я Instructor wrote:
MyMeowCat wrote:
Considering how busy CYBW is --- I wonder why Springbank Aero is so "available" :rolleyes:
We're not busy for 2 reasons.

#1. Most people drive down the main road and don't realize there's a school just around the corner.
#2. Under previous management they put all their money on foreign students. Foreign students left, locals see #1.
#1 sure doesn't help but no way the main reason they aren't coming in
#2 Not quite the real reason, has very little to do with it
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by I Я Instructor » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:14 pm

LOL... Lurch.. that's funny... I actually get it now that I think I know who it is... anyway...

why don't you enlighten myself and AvCanada as a whole as to why there are few students presently at SAFTI?
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by Strega » Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:17 pm

umm

Maybe the school really sucks?
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by I Я Instructor » Tue Sep 23, 2008 10:09 pm

Strega wrote:umm

Maybe the school really sucks?
Yes, that was very insightful... now sit down until you have something useful to say.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by Strega » Wed Sep 24, 2008 7:11 am

I Я Instructor wrote:
Strega wrote:umm

Maybe the school really sucks?
Yes, that was very insightful... now sit down until you have something useful to say.

Ok

Maybe the school lacks skilled instructors, well maintained aircraft, and is generally less than professional.
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by shamrock104 » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:12 am

What is SAFTI?
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Re: Calgary Flying Club or Calgary Flight Training Centre?

Post by Shiny Side Up » Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:18 am

I Я Instructor wrote:
MyMeowCat wrote:
Considering how busy CYBW is --- I wonder why Springbank Aero is so "available" :rolleyes:
We're not busy for 2 reasons.

#1. Most people drive down the main road and don't realize there's a school just around the corner.
#2. Under previous management they put all their money on foreign students. Foreign students left, locals see #1.
I'd say #2 is a big reason why they're not busy, putting all your money into the "tourist crowd" so to speak, isn't a sound business plan. You have to cater to the locals - especially with a static location operation like a flight school. While its tempting to chase that big foreign contract to make some big bucks during the summer, doing it at the expense of your local business will cost you in the long run. Watch any episode of Ramsey's Kitchen Nightmares and a chief factor in the business's survival is keeping its local customers happy. Foreign customers aren't going to be bringing as much repeat business like the local customers will, and steady business is preferable to surge business - unless you're planning on taking the winter off - that foreign contract better fatten your wallet a lot to carry you through.

In my experience talking to a lot of newer pilots out there, a lot of people are very unhappy with the level that a lot of schools have went with foreign training contracts - chiefly from China and India, but also some European ones - with great sacrifice of the local customers. Sure everyone is making money in the short term, but the overseas demand for flight training ain't going to last forever. After all, we're sending them back a bunch of trained pilots who can start doing it for them.
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