A320 Type Rating- Looking for Training Partner

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Take the money you are thinking of wasting on an A320 rating and buy apple stock, that way you will be far, far better off.

[Lurch]

I don't get the big deal.

Thier wanting to put money into a Canadian company and then leave the country. I say more power to them, the sooner they leave the country the better.

I say good riddance, don't forget to surrender your Canadian passport, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Lurch

[Bede]

I know a guy who was told exactly what you're saying by Tiger Airways in China. He spent $30k and got - surprise - no job. Then he spent $20k or $30k on a Falcon training bond so he could work for some clowns in Iqaluit. Then he spent some more money chasing a job somewhere else. A few of us figured he had blown $75k on BS type ratings trying to get ahead.

Like another poster said, every shady operator will tell you to get a type rating- decent employers will not want a type rating because they will spend the money to train you to fly their airplanes THEIR way. If these companies are so interested in you how about they send you a written job offer, conditional that you get a type rating. At least then you can see this foolish idea as an investment and not a gamble.

PS If you end up going this route, post on here in a year and tell us how you made out.

[straightpilot]

every shady operator will tell you to get a type rating

Southwest Airlines requires all of their new-hires to get a 737 type rating on their own before they start work.

Is Southwest a shady operator?

http://www.southwest.com/html/about-sou ... ilots.html

A Candidate may apply without a B-737 Type Rating. If a candidate interviews and successfully completes the entire selection process, he/she has six months from the date to obtain a B-737 Type Rating to be eligible for hire.

btw before you buy any Apple stock, check out:

http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/pe_ratio

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Haters

[Chuck Ellsworth]

What is a hater, and what does it have to do with us trying to give advice?

[photofly]

What is a hater, and what does it have to do with us trying to give advice?

Well it might have had something to do with this line:

I say good riddance, don't forget to surrender your Canadian passport, and don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Or perhaps it was the cartoons about trolls. Or the fact that while the question was from someone who was looking for a parter, a whole load of people derailed this thread into bashing the o/p for his career decisions. Way to go, chaps. So much for the famed Canadian hospitality.

[Shiny Side Up]

@iflyforpie Im pretty sure you would do the same if you were in my shoes. I made near nothing as a flight instructor and dont see any positive outlook on the job front here in Canada which has led me to try back home.

From another thread:

I made $9000 last year.

A little bit OT but why did you get paid so little? To me it sounds like you were working for a bad operator already, assuming you flew with them until you were up to your current total. Pains me to see this sort of stuff going on. Not sure why you feel that you need to go elsewhere, since you've stuck it out through the hardest part of your career. With 1000+ hours in the book, you're in much more hirable territory, you can definitely find someone to work for who doesn't require you to bring your own type rating.

[iflyforpie]

@iflyforpie

How did I get the money to pay for it? - That is none of your concern.

It might not be any of my concern, but it sure does puzzle me when somebody who makes 'no money' has all of this disposable cash to blow on a rating that is above your experience and doesn't guarantee a bright future. Unless of course it is somebody else's money.

I have nearly 1200 hours and I have applied to over a 100 job postings but NO PHONECALLS, NO INTERVIEWS, NOTHING!

So forgive me if I take a chance with my career.

Two things. First of all, whoever said that getting your license was guaranteed to get you a job was putting the rose coloured glasses on. The jobs simply aren't there unless you have an in or are exceptional in some way. I took my training with job in hand--I wouldn't have done it any other way.

The second thing is, those of you who are unlucky with your job searches make life miserable for the rest of us when you buy jobs, work for crap wages, and work for shady operators. I didn't fly for two years after my first job because jobs simply weren't there unless I wanted to lower my standards.


But I am just a hater.

[Sulako]

every shady operator will tell you to get a type rating

Southwest Airlines requires all of their new-hires to get a 737 type rating on their own before they start work.

Is Southwest a shady operator?

If they make their pilots pay for their own training, then yeah, they are a shady operator and they should be ashamed their actions.

[cdnpilot77]

every shady operator will tell you to get a type rating

Southwest Airlines requires all of their new-hires to get a 737 type rating on their own before they start work.

Is Southwest a shady operator?

If they make their pilots pay for their own training, then yeah, they are a shady operator and they should be ashamed their actions.

Are they not one of the most profitable airlines in the world?? "Ashamed" is being polite Sulako!

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@iflyforpie - disposable cash to blow on a rating that is above your experience and doesn't guarantee a bright future. Unless of course it is somebody else's money.

My cousin who had his own rating got hired at age 20 on an A320 with 300 hours, hes 23 and a Captain now with IndiGo. (Worked out pretty well for him). Im hoping to do the same.

Again my finances are none of your business

[Sulako]

The reason people are giving you a hard time is that buying your way into a job is unethical - it allows operators to take advantage of pilots by demanding the same thing of others, and it screws your fellow aviators who are unable to buy their way into a seat. Operators will then choose to employ the pilots who can pay the most rather than the pilots who are best skilled/suited for the job, and that can't be good for safety.

You can't buy experience, and you are putting yourself in the potential position of operating a high-performance machine without a strong background in aviation. You also can't buy respect, which will be much harder to come by should you happen to return to Canada and look for a job.

I know I wouldn't want a 300-hour pilot flying my family around in an Airbus, mostly because they haven't had the time to experience all the crazy stuff you see in aviation with a few thousand hours under your belt. Experience, which is generally the basis for good decision-making in the future.

I'm not trying to change your mind, I'm just pointing out that pilots who buy their own ratings are basically eating their young, and it's really too bad.

[cdnpilot77]

^ what he said!

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@Sulako

How am I suppose to get the experience when no one is going to hire me?

Everybody needs a first break, Iv'e just not had any luck for the last two years and a bit.

[Cap'n Tripps]

@Sulako

How am I suppose to get the experience when no one is going to hire me?

Everybody needs a first break, Iv'e just not had any luck for the last two years and a bit.

Believe me, a lot of people, including myself, have had to wait for a heck of a lot longer than a measly 2 years for a job. Any job, let alone a "real" job.

Either you're not trying hard enough, or you're not trying hard enough in the right places.

How's your french?

Cheers and good luck, wherever you end up.

[cdnpilot77]

@Sulako

How am I suppose to get the experience when no one is going to hire me?

Everybody needs a first break, Iv'e just not had any luck for the last two years and a bit.

I offered you assistance with your resume and cover letter yesterday and still haven't seen anything from you. If I was desperate...and I have been (was out of work for a full year), I did everything under the sun to change my fate. You need to create your own breaks, they will never just fall into your lap!

[photofly]

I know I wouldn't want a 300-hour pilot flying my family around in an Airbus

Don't let them fly a European airline then!

I think we're misconstruing what a type rating is. It's not a measure of respect that you deserve, or a token of your value to your employer. It's just a type rating, that says you've demonstrated the procedures safely to fly a particular kind of aircraft, as determined by the manufacturer.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

My cousin who had his own rating got hired at age 20 on an A320 with 300 hours, hes 23 and a Captain now with IndiGo. (Worked out pretty well for him). Im hoping to do the same.

Again my finances are none of your business

I probably should just let this fade into oblivion.

However I still have this hope aviation will improve as time passes and the attitude I see displayed here is not the attitude that I approve of and having hired hundreds of pilots over my career I am really uncomfortable with the attitude of this poster.

When pilots get hired based on their belief they are entitled to advancement because they will pay money to get there we are at the point where automation should replace pilots and let the computers do the job.

[photofly]

I take it, ., that you'd disapprove of the EasyJet and Ryanair cadet schemes? Where, at perhaps 200 hrs you effectively pay for the rest of your training directly to the airline while sitting right-seat in one of their airliners with paying passengers at the back? It's generally joked that on any Ryanair flight, the person who paid most for the flight is sitting directly on the captain's right.