A couple questions

[Wizard]

I have been digging around for some a couple forums and made some phone calls to TC and here are my questions for you lot;


1) If possible, can you rewrite you logbook? Transfer all flights from a smaller book into a bigger one with more detailed columns and such? Is it neccessary to go back to schools and previous employers to get stamps and signatures?

2) Can more that 1 type be counted in the same logbook? By type I mean helicopter and fixed wing.

3) If a pilot chooses to use a computer based logbook, can that be sent to TC for the ATPL and if so does that need to be stamped by flight schools and employers?

Thank for any reply I appreciate any time spent reading this

[triplese7en]

1) The regulations just say that you need to keep a log - I've read nothing about any requirement to have it "certified". If TC doubts an entry then they can do their own investigation.

2) Yup. Nothing saying you can't. Unless you have a specific thing to be logged then there isn't any reason to use a separate logbook. Most print logbooks will have blank columns to add whatever you want. If it's electronic you could combine your helicopter, fixed wing, and glider all in the same logbook - I have a separate glider logbook cause I haven't felt the need to add it to my electronic log.

3) Yes and no, respectively. I submitted my logbook, made with LogTen Pro, to TC for my ATPL. There wasn't a signature on it from anyone! I had no problem getting it approved in a matter of a few weeks.

Read CAR 401.08 - http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/r ... htm#401_08

That tells you everything you need to do. As long as you record what is required under 401.08 then you're good to go. Having an electronic log makes it easy to combine heli, fixed, and glider since you can add many custom categories. An Excel spreadsheet is a perfect way to log your time as well.

[B-rad]

It's your log book! do what you want with it.

[Colonel Sanders]

I would have different logbooks for different
categories of aircraft: aeroplane, helicopter, etc.

You put them all in one, but figuring out totals
down the road might be difficult.

If you know you won't ever apply for a higher
licence, and if you won't ever apply for insurance,
or ever apply for a flying job, sure, use one logbook.

[PilotDAR]

I gave up paper log books decades ago (though one seemed to appear during my helicopter training). All my flying time is recorded on an Excel spreadsheet, with the first line entry being the sum of all the paper logbooks. There are no stamps or certifications in the Excel sheet, though some comments as appropriate. I presented the printed spreadsheet to TC for my commercial license, along with the required supporting documents, the the log was readily accepted. In Excel, sorting, to extract a summary of the information you would like is very easy - a whole lot more simple than transcribing entries from hundreds of paper pages!

As said, it's your log, record how you like.

[ahramin]

My logbook is an Excel spreadsheet. All types are in one logbook. TC had no problem with my printout with no certifications from any flight schools or employers when I sent it in with my ATPL application.

It's your logbook(s).

[PositiveRate27]

TC doesn't require any certifications from schools/employers but many airlines do. Do yourself a favor and get your book stamped every time you switch jobs. There often isnt enough time to send your book halfway across the country to get stamped when you get offered an interview.

[200hr Wonder]

One thing to note, some logbook software now will allow you to attach an electronic signature to each page. DO NOT DO THIS. When I applied for my ATPL my logbook was perfect. Legible, all the math was 100% and that got the TC approval right off. However, the electronic signature was not kosher at the time. I had to go into the office and counter sign my electronic signature. Good thing I live close to the office or it would have been a rather long delay in sign off. Leave the signature line blank and when you do have to submit a logbook for ATPL processing etc. sign in pen each line your self.

[ahramin]

Or don't get logbook software that needs a signature on every page .

[triplese7en]

Or don't get logbook software that needs a signature on every page .

Yup!

There is nothing in the CARs saying that your logbook has to have a signature on it. Where the signature actually needs to be is on your flight crew permit/license application form where you declare, "...below contains a true summary of experience relative to this application."

[Beefitarian]

Does anyone have sample blanks of Exel spread sheets they use. I like my fancy log book with the blue and black ink, scribbles, strikes and liquid paper in it. I'm curious what sort of columns everyone likes to use.

[Colonel Sanders]

There is nothing in the CARs saying that your logbook has to have a signature

Yes, but the Authorized Persons Guidelines require them.

Check your copy - I know that you can't get a PPL
or CPL signed off without the logbook being certified.

[photofly]

My CPL was signed off without a third-party certification in my logbook.

[Colonel Sanders]

I went considerably faster than the posted speed
limit today, and didn't get caught, either

TC would not be happy with your AP.

[photofly]

TC would not be happy with your AP.

TC can get to the back of a long, long queue.

[Colonel Sanders]

From section six (CPL) of the Authorized Person's Guidelines:



Authorized Persons are not allowed to sign off licences
that do not have the required flight time, or the tests
are passed, or if the logbook is not certified.

If TC catches your AP breaking the rules and signing off
licences and ratings that they should not, they will have
their privileges revoked.

[photofly]

If TC catches your AP breaking the rules and signing off
licences and ratings that they should not, they will have
their privileges revoked.

Best we not tell TC then.

[Colonel Sanders]

Funny story. Went to a TC district office (since closed)
about 20 years ago, to get my Cdn ATPL signed off.

It was pretty funny. The lady working there looked at
my logbooks, and said that I should never have had my
PPL signed off - I was missing some hours. And that I
should never have had my night rating signed off - was
missing some hours. And that I never should have had
my CPL signed off - was missing some hours. Something
about not being able to count hood, or night, or dual, or
cross-country, or amphib time. I forget.

But she said that I had enough hours for my ATPL,
and she signed me off, and I got the hell out of there.

[ahramin]

Uh CS, isn't that paragraph about the PTR? It's talking about flight training requirements, not experience requirements, which would all be in the PTR no? Don't instructors have to sign or certify or something the PTR before sending it in?

I too had my private and commercial signed off without my instructor certifying my logbook. Don't see how he could have anyway, I owned the plane.

[Colonel Sanders]

See picture above. It says "logbook, certified"
not PTR. Nice try - I thought of that, too.

PS Your instructor could have certified your
logbook, for the hours he freelance instructed
on your aircraft. Again, see picture above.

Anyways, my point is that corners get cut,
people cheat, etc but TC wants a certified
logbook, otherwise no PPL, CPL, etc.