Re: Flight simulator software for Cessna 172 question
Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 8:41 am
Closer to you than you think.If you don't own one or at least know someone who does, where can a guy go to get dual on a Stearman?
Closer to you than you think.If you don't own one or at least know someone who does, where can a guy go to get dual on a Stearman?
Huh. I will question you about this sometime.Shiny Side Up wrote: Closer to you than you think.
You have to look around, but they are out there:Pop n Fresh wrote:The nice old planes are also kind of rare, exceedingly so in the flight training world. If you don't own one or at least know someone who does, where can a guy go to get dual on a Stearman or a Cub these days?Colonel Sanders wrote:What a funny coincidence, that someone thatdon't tell us about Sammy
learned to fly "old man airplanes", flew his first
airshow in a Stearman in California, at age 17.
The customer is king. If students were standing at the counter of every FTU requesting training in a simple taildragger, the FTU's would be adding them to their fleets (then scratching their heads as to where to find instructors!). A Tiger Moth I flew a few times a few years back recently sold for less than an older 172. I understand that a Tiger Moth was a pretty good basic trainer...The nice old planes are also kind of rare, exceedingly so in the flight training world.
I'm determined to do my PPL in a tailwheel when it's time. Should I tell all the FTU's I've ruled them out for not offering tailwheel ab initio?PilotDAR wrote:The customer is king. If students were standing at the counter of every FTU requesting training in a simple taildragger, the FTU's would be adding them to their fleets (then scratching their heads as to where to find instructors!). A Tiger Moth I flew a few times a few years back recently sold for less than an older 172. I understand that a Tiger Moth was a pretty good basic trainer...
Sure! That said, only one student asserting that preference will not cause a swing in the industry, but everything starts somewhere! And, once the FTU has the plane, they have to find the competent instructor too. Not so easy! To some degree it will depend upon the choices you have available. BUT, learning with a competent instructor in a light taildragger will make you a much better pilot earlier in your learning, and the lessons will stick with you better. Later, you'll be more able to go from one type to the next with a minimal transition time and cost. There'll be more advanced systems to learn, but that is low cost ground study for the most part.Should I tell all the FTU's I've ruled them out for not offering tailwheel ab initio?
I'll willing to learn anywhere in Canada. Still not a lot of options that I see at the moment!PilotDAR wrote:Sure! That said, only one student asserting that preference will not cause a swing in the industry, but everything starts somewhere! And, once the FTU has the plane, they have to find the competent instructor too. Not so easy! To some degree it will depend upon the choices you have available.Should I tell all the FTU's I've ruled them out for not offering tailwheel ab initio?
And that's one of the reasons why I'm insisting on tailwheel ab initio.BUT, learning with a competent instructor in a light taildragger will make you a much better pilot earlier in your learning, and the lessons will stick with you better. Later, you'll be more able to go from one type to the next with a minimal transition time and cost. There'll be more advanced systems to learn, but that is low cost ground study for the most part.
I hear rumours there's an instructor in Smith Falls who does, too...Colonel Sanders wrote:I admire your desire to learn ab initio
on tailwheel. It will make you a much
better pilot, compared to your peers
with similar flight time.
It can be difficult (but it is possible) to
find tailwheel ab initio training. I know
Harv's Air in MB has a couple of Citabrias.
It makes me sad as well. I like to know my machines. I know the limits of my car because I test them. I had a real life moose test at 80+ km/h a few winters ago, with no anti-lock brakes, no traction or stability control, and no contact, because I instinctively knew how hard to brake and how hard I could corner with my winter tires on my front-heavy econo hatchback in the road conditions. A more pleasing rush is cruising down winding mountainous highways on my road bike at over 70 km/h, where a tiny rock can make a wheel bounce six inches out on a corner. I want the same level of instinctive familiarity with a flying machine, too.Unfortunately, there is not much interest
any more in basic stick & rudder skills. As
a result of this, very few instructors are able
to fly a tailwheel aircraft, let alone instruct
on one.
This makes me very sad. This drives .
nuts, as well as a friend of mine, who used
to be pilot #1 at AC, and cannot understand
why a class 1 instructor can't fly tailwheel.
He think's it's bizarre, to the point of insane.
Anyways. If you put the effort into learning
to fly tailwheel ab initio, you will never have
a problem with crosswind landings, for the
rest of your life. That is a pretty impressive
gift, that you can only give to yourself.
Personally, the best "rushes" I get flying, occur when I gently and precisely place the aircraft exactly where I intend, and it works perfectly. I nearly always intend to place the aircraft precisely in the middle of the available place, with margins for safety all the way around me. I try not to use those margins (though I came close with fuel the other week), their existence is the evidence of my precision. That's what gives me a rush.A more pleasing rush is cruising down winding mountainous highways on my road bike at over 70 km/h, where a tiny rock can make a wheel bounce six inches out on a corner.
Believe it or not, that is almost always theIt seems odd to me that a high level instructor wouldn't have the skills to fly tailwheel
The thing to remember is that the classes of instructor aren't indicative of the skill level of airplanes. Class 2 is basically saying one has the understanding to be a CFI, Class 1 is saying that one can teach other instructors. Neither rating confers any other skill, just like it doesn't mean you're a multi instructor, a float instructor or an IFR instructor. It would probably be more accurate to say that - like a driver's license (at least in Alberta) - one is a Class 3,2 and 1 instructor, just like I hold a Class 5 and 6 driver's license.Colonel Sanders wrote:Believe it or not, that is almost always theIt seems odd to me that a high level instructor wouldn't have the skills to fly tailwheel
case. It is extremely rare to find a class 2/1
instructor that can fly tailwheel, let alone
teach it.
You have to look at some history to understand why.
I like your philosophy of precision, not boundaries. That's what I was trying to express myself: having the skills to rescue poor situations, but not making a habit of getting into poor situations. That would include being good at leaning out an engine.PilotDAR wrote:Personally, the best "rushes" I get flying, occur when I gently and precisely place the aircraft exactly where I intend, and it works perfectly. I nearly always intend to place the aircraft precisely in the middle of the available place, with margins for safety all the way around me. I try not to use those margins (though I came close with fuel the other week), their existence is the evidence of my precision. That's what gives me a rush.A more pleasing rush is cruising down winding mountainous highways on my road bike at over 70 km/h, where a tiny rock can make a wheel bounce six inches out on a corner.
If I have flown so as to be at the far edge of on of those margins, or worse, failed to recognize that I should have put a margin there in the first place, that gives me the opposite feeling of a rush - pit of the stomach kinda stuff.
I'm old, I have been flying planes since 1976, I have never bent one in flight, but gosh have I come close a few times. Coming close was never worth any rush I could have got from what I was doing with the plane. So now I fly like a very adventurous grandfather - trying to get the very most out of my planes so as to be precisely in the middle of the safest place the plane could be at that moment. It is so satisfying to mow my home runway, and see that my wheel tracks never stray more than a foot either side from each other, for either of my planes - that still leaves six more feet to go on either side - and I get a rush from that!
And by the way, a computer simulator is useless for developing those skills, other than perhaps being in the middle of the airway or the approach path.
Feelings are irrelevant when people could get hurt or die. I would want any future instructor of mine to insist I did things correctly above all else, and correctly from a reality standpoint, not PC dogma.Colonel Sanders wrote:Anyways, this lack of fundamental piloting skills is a huge
embarrassment to us in Canada. I get crapped on a lot
because I point it out - which hurts people's feelings - and
I try to do something about it.
That was painful to watch.Denial isn't just a river in Egypt.
Following is how students of today's instructors (and
future airline pilots) fly tailwheel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vfy5SRKx ... page#t=139
Oh. My. God. As far as I can tell, he hates that Maule.
He has no idea what adverse yaw is. He has no idea
what the rudder pedals are for. Because his instructor
doesn't either.
I think the FAA is doing the right thing. It takes at least a thousand hours of practice to get competent at anything in life. It's a universal truth, regardless of if it's woodworking, playing an instrument, programming, learning a language, or, dare I say, piloting a plane.The FAA is not happy with this. After this latest spate
of accidents, they went bananas and insisted that everyone
up front in part 121 must have an ATP, which includes
1500 real hours in an aircraft, and a whole bunch of new
requirements, which are now in effect (Aug 1st).
The FAA is going exactly opposite to the rest of the world
in this respect. Everywhere else, people are trying to
get kids with 200TT into the right seats of Boeings. This
is not working terribly well in the Orient.
After seeing the number of tailwheel accidents from pilots who can't fly, I understand why it's an endorsement. I also agree that more government is generally not a solution, as regulation usually creates more problems than it solves.Shiny Side Up wrote: The thing to remember is that the classes of instructor aren't indicative of the skill level of airplanes. Class 2 is basically saying one has the understanding to be a CFI, Class 1 is saying that one can teach other instructors. Neither rating confers any other skill, just like it doesn't mean you're a multi instructor, a float instructor or an IFR instructor. It would probably be more accurate to say that - like a driver's license (at least in Alberta) - one is a Class 3,2 and 1 instructor, just like I hold a Class 5 and 6 driver's license.
While we probably should be like south of the border and have a specific endorsment for tailwheel, I think we also don't want to solve the problem with more government and more regulation.
In the case of homebuilts I can understand... Some are works of art, some are freaking scary interpretive things that will try to kill you. Builders are wierd sometimes what they think helps make them "safe" and what are acceptable "issues".Incredibly, most pilots have no interest whatsoever
in learning to fly the plethora of ... ...homebuilt
types out there, which mystifies me.
Point taken. I do a lot of first flights and trainingIn the case of homebuilts I can understand