loopa wrote:flying4dollars wrote:loopa wrote:
And it doesn't take one to be in the ac network to know what's going on. Clearly you guys flying within the network don't anyway. Unless you believe everything they tell you. Hunger games anyone? As far as I'm concerned, I am in touch with enough people at the top of the helm to help influence my opinion. All I will say is that this crisis created to provoke everyone to jump to the CPA's is an agenda that's working very well.
I don't think any offence is being taken but you're telling us cpa pilots that we don't know what's going on, yet you believe you do. Our info comes from the top guy of cpa first hand flying, yet you say we shouldn't believe everything we hear. You then say you know enough guys at the top of the helm to influence your opinion. Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black?
I wouldn't be so bold as to tell us we don't know what's going on and that you do. So far, everything we've been told is happening, despite a lot of doubt from the armchair quarterbacks. Also, I don't understand what you mean by " I think what's actually happening here is a bunch of you CPA pilot's are taking offence to the opinion that your choice to put up with non sense won't pay off in the end".
What nonsense are we, putting up with?
I'll use GGN as an example - why is it that several threads on the company disappears when the truth spills out about working conditions?
Nonsense as in it used to be that Jazz was the end all be all of regional flying in Canada, and now you have to put in far too many years before making a liveable wage / at the expense of
maybe getting a shot to
interview at AC. You don't think it's nonsense that you have to put in many years at the regionals, and then start at the bottom of a seniority list again? This seriously can't be viewed as "amazing" ...
The list goes on, but I gather in your specific case the light at the end of the tunnel brings about a certain naive outlook that you most definitely will make it to AC. I'll respect your opinion/influence, but will not agree with. You might make it, but you also may not. So make sure you're happy to stay where you're at if the opportunity doesn't present itself.
When the top 1% of the population promises you something, they usually don't deliver on it. It's like when a politician says, "vote for me and I'll lower taxes" ... "come to the CPA's, you'll flow to AC."
If there's anything I want you to take away from my message it's this; go to the CPA carriers because you want to work at that company, not because of AC flow. Because it's a promise that most likely can, and in my opinion will be worth toilet paper when everything is said and done.
I personally agree with alti on the 2017 ordeal to some extent, only that outside hiring will still be in place to fulfil the massive growth/retirement that's about to happen at AC. Let's hang tight and see how this all will unfold in the coming years.
I didn't come to Georgian to get a shot with ac. I came here to better my career and support myself, and believe it or not, I've done just that and more. Contrary to your expertise, a lot of folk here came for the same reason and not everyone wants AC or WJ. We've had many move on to corporate, government, travel companies and overseas. Why do ggn threads get shut down? Why does it even matter?
Apart from that, you didn't answer how you know any better than 'us cpa pilots'. You say you get your info from top guys at ac and it's credible enough to your satisfaction, yet the info we get from the horses mouth, again to which so far everything has unfolded the way it was told to us, is unreliable.
I agree you shouldn't apply to a company unless you genuinely want to work here, but having a pma with air Canada certainly sweetens the pot and whether anyone likes it or not, makes sense from a business perspective. I'll repeat, not everyone comes here for Air Canada and those who do are very well aware nothing more than an interview is guaranteed. Nothing in aviation is for that matter. But people who do come here get a lot of perks. Travel benefits, airline experience, and a quick upgrade and progression. If anything, you never walk away empty handed.
