The Air Canada OTS thread

[altiplano]

It's cheaper for them to leave the pilots at home than run a reduction bid.

Not only are the 737 pilots getting paid less at home than they would be if they were training, the amount of courses a reduction would trigger would be out of sight at a time when training is at capacity.

Even if they only reduced roughly 1/2 - 200 pilots, I estimate it would trigger 500 courses. Only to have to train most of those reduced/bumped people back again when they exercise their RIRs in 6 months or a year - so maybe 800-1000 courses when it's all said and done and back to roughly where it is today.

Not that I disagree with you, they should reduce the 737, except ACPA let them park those pilots cheaper than the contractual alternative and Boeing will pay for it somehow in the end.

[Warden]

It's cheaper for them to leave the pilots at home than run a reduction bid.

Not only are the 737 pilots getting paid less at home than they would be if they were training, the amount of courses a reduction would trigger would be out of sight at a time when training is at capacity.

Even if they only reduced roughly 1/2 - 200 pilots, I estimate it would trigger 500 courses. Only to have to train most of those reduced/bumped people back again when they exercise their RIRs in 6 months or a year - so maybe 800-1000 courses when it's all said and done and back to roughly where it is today.

Not that I disagree with you, they should reduce the 737, except ACPA let them park those pilots cheaper than the contractual alternative and Boeing will pay for it somehow in the end.

Yah you're right I didn't really think about the cascade effect of pilots with reduction rights. Would get pretty messy pretty fast.

How about we just get rid of the 737s in totality. Finalize this AT deal, convert the options they have for the NEOs and convert on the A220 options. I think it will take years otherwise for average passengers to be fine flying on a MAX again. Might not be a bad idea to become the one Canadian operator (between SW, WJ, AC) to not run the MAX.

[CitationNation]

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[altiplano]

4. Chronic shortage. Didn't hire enough pilots over the last 8 years.

[jpilot77]

There’s a lot of senior Sunwing pilots on this last PIT course.

[Daniel Cooper]

There’s a lot of senior Sunwing pilots on this last PIT course.

Probably a wise idea. With Transat and AC combining forces and WestJet getting a cash injection Sunwing is going to be facing stiff competition.

[jim67994]

I reapplied for the most recent job posting, and the final page said that I would receive an email confirming my application. This email has never been received. Has anyone had a similar experience?

[RVR6000]

Quite the experience level in the last ground school, it’s like we’ve got a Westjet/Encore PIL agreement.

Seeing a few expat coming back home as well.

[Dry Guy]

When Transat pilots say they are entitled to X seniority number due to previous industry experience I hope they, and the arbitrator, are reminded some of our recent new hires are 777 Captains.

[FL320]

When Transat pilots say they are entitled to X seniority number due to previous industry experience I hope they, and the arbitrator, are reminded some of our recent new hires are 777 Captains.

Dry Guy, Transat pilots know how the seniority system works. There is no need to remind them anything; we are not in a schoolyard.
The 777 Captains made a decision to go to AC for personal reasons knowing exactly what they would get from AC. They were willing to give up what they had to start again at the bottom of the list and they were prepared to that new lifestyle (I honestly respect them because the system you so lovely defend is an insult to our profession, you shouldn’t be proud of that).
However I’m guessing that they consider the job at AC as a pre-retirement hobby, they already made the money abroad. I’ve talked to one of the senior Captains who left Sunwing to AC and this is exactly what he said. The 4 years flat pay is just extra peanuts that he does not really need, but the guy wanted to try the widebody flying for fun; nothing more. So please don’t use these experienced guys as an excuse to belittle your probable future colleagues from Transat who never requested your Management to be bought; we all know and understand that we won’t be welcomed with open arms, unfortunately for us.
Transat pilots didn’t make that decision, it’s been imposed. Nobody is saying that we are entitled anything at AC; we just hope that this merger (if it happens) will be fair for us as it’s not our decision and we were not prepared to that new lifestyle that will affect many people/families; not necessarily positively as you absolutely want to believe.
It’s sad some of you here don’t open your mind and see -as your Management does- the positives of this acquisition for the entire group; I suggest you to read again and try to understand the internal memos from your CEO on the subject.

[FL320]

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[altiplano]

Could you be more specific?

[Celtic1]

I thought this thread was about 'off the street' hiring for AC? I think there's a thread on the Air Transat link to argue about the AC/TS merger.
Sunny ways!

[Duke Point]

Who cares really.

ACPA will defend the position of its members. ALPA will defend those of Transat. An Arbitrator will make the final decision, and we will all live with the result.

Make it personal if you want, or waste as much energy on it as you like. Won't change the outcome one bit.

DP.

[Celtic1]

Hey Guys, I thought this was a thread of 'off the street' Air Canada hiring? Lets keep the AC/AT to the threads on other pages.
Sunny Ways!

[Duke Point]

The best way to deal with it is to make suggestions to your Union. Tell them what you would like to see. They will represent you. Their proposal to the Arbitrator will be the --only thing-- that will forward or impede your merger case.

If you feel "slighted" with the result, have a personal chat with one of your reps.

Keep emotional, reactionary crap out of the Flight Deck. Spend your layover alone if you must.

I've lived through "sour, rotten, resentful" attitudes some people carried for years with the Canadian/AC merger. It did ---not one person--- any good, and likely harmed or destroyed plenty of home relationships, and ruined many a layover. In the end it was only pure, wasted energy.

DP.

[Transition9er2]

Let’s stay on topic everyone, the mud slinging thread is elsewhere!

The last time I was on this thread there was talk of only 3 classes being confirmed through August. Can anyone confirm if this has changed? Is class sizes of 50 every 3 weeks the new plan?

Thanks,

T

[ZBBYLW]

I hope any AT guys don't get too worried. There are many of us at AC that will be happy to have you're experience join us in the flight deck. I don't get too wrapped up with work and the chips will fall where they do. Lets keep the politics to managment.

Look forward to buying the beer on any layover with any FO regardless of where they came from.

[Victory]

He thinks he's going to be the Captain.