The Air Canada OTS thread

[PostmasterGeneral]

With the massive amount of pilots being hired all at the same time recently (especially young guys in their 20's), would it still be worth pursuing Air Canada if meeting the requirements is still about 3-5 years away? I kind of feel like I missed the boat and seniority is going to be the bane of my existence with so many younger people ahead of me ie: my number will stay relatively constant compared to people hired now who are able to take advantage of the retirements and massive growth to get into a much cushier position earlier. This also has pretty big implications on retirement too. I wonder if WJ might be a better move as their pilot group starts to age and given their potential expansion opportunities with 787's, etc. There's a couple issues I can think of like uncertainty with Onex, no pension and lower pay, but it might end up being more in the end if I can't even move up within AC's ranks.

Seriously? If your concern is "moving up in the ranks" then WestJet is about the absolute LAST place you wanna be.

[21cdnflyer]

Calls going out for December 2nd class.

[BenniFlyer]

With the massive amount of pilots being hired all at the same time recently (especially young guys in their 20's), would it still be worth pursuing Air Canada if meeting the requirements is still about 3-5 years away? I kind of feel like I missed the boat and seniority is going to be the bane of my existence with so many younger people ahead of me ie: my number will stay relatively constant compared to people hired now who are able to take advantage of the retirements and massive growth to get into a much cushier position earlier. This also has pretty big implications on retirement too. I wonder if WJ might be a better move as their pilot group starts to age and given their potential expansion opportunities with 787's, etc. There's a couple issues I can think of like uncertainty with Onex, no pension and lower pay, but it might end up being more in the end if I can't even move up within AC's ranks.

Seriously? If your concern is "moving up in the ranks" then WestJet is about the absolute LAST place you wanna be.

You could explain yourself a bit better postmaster. You’re coming off a bit rude for no reason. He’s just trying to think ahead of the curve...yes lots of retirements coming now at AC which has lead to a massive amount of hiring lately...WJ has quite a few that should retire in about 10-15 years, so I think he’s looking ahead to be on board before all of that potential hiring. No problem with speculating that for his/her career.

[bearitus]

Calls going out for December 2nd class.

Thanks for the update. I'm guessing that's the last class scheduled to start in 2019?

[Transition9er2]

Calls going out for December 2nd class.

Any confirmed info regarding class size for the Nov 11th class and now the Dec 2nd class?

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[landshark]

I’m guessing 10-20 - I don’t think they’ll be in the 30-50 range. Training report shows 330RP and 220 spots now.

[Victory]

With lots of hiring from Jazz and Captain positions now being awarded to people in their second year I was wondering does AC have Captains in their 20s?

[Oxi]

Plenty of new captains between 25-30 on mainline/rouge bus, embraer and max

[prob30]

Hi everyone!

Thanks for all the useful information, I'm new here and was wondering how long it takes to get initial interviews these days? I understand many of you have already passed the selection and are waiting on start dates. There was mention that your application gets put into a matrix? would anyone happen to know how they score candidates?

Ive been flying abroad for many years and am looking to return home. My experience is 6000 Hours TT with 4000 Hours wide bodied jet as FO. I do realise that things might be slowing down and they might not call for an interview anytime soon.

Thanks!

[Oxi]

Any Cathy, Emirates and the like coming to AC will be forced onto the open 777 and 787 spots and doing the same job for 60.06$ an hour.

[pilotbzh]

Any Cathy, Emirates and the like coming to AC will be forced onto the open 777 and 787 spots and doing the same job for 60.06$ an hour.

not happening.....

[Sharklasers]

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Any Cathy, Emirates and the like coming to AC will be forced onto the open 777 and 787 spots and doing the same job for 60.06$ an hour.

not happening.....
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That’s absolutely what’s happening? Do you work for Air Canada? If so read the new hire bios and then look on the training report where the last Eva, Emirates and Cathay Pilots ended up.

[JoeyBarton]

Yes he is right. And it is very smart to cherry pick those guys with heavy experience from the sand box or Asia. And yes it happening. 4 guys total, all coming from overseas, did get assigned 787F direct on both september PIT courses. Just go online.
Now, 4 guys out of what, 30-50 total for September isn't that big. As long as nobody on the property takes those jobs, it will be filled from time to time by new hires, and probably not in huge numbers. At the discretion of flight ops.
Just shows there is no shortage of quality applicants at AC.

[Daniel Cooper]

Everyone seems so outraged over but has anyone asked those people if they mind? Perhaps someone coming from a widebody background would prefer staying on the widebody instead of being an EMB FO and flying 2 turns a day to Nashville or whatever they do.

[FL-280]

Lol, hell no man. They are pissed! They know they will sit on reserve for like 6 years

[sportingrifle]

There is something very telling in this for those contemplating chasing tin and money overseas.......

The other interesting thing is the massive experience difference between the "Off the Street" nerw hires and Jazz PML new hires. Not sure why AC is continuing with such a high ratio PML intake when it is causing them to pass over some incredibly skilled and experienced applicants. Many of us in the left seat are hoping this changes soon.

[C-GGGQ]

Cause they locked into a contract. It's not up to them anymore. They have to take Jazz PML's for the majority 60%

[Inverted2]

There is something very telling in this for those contemplating chasing tin and money overseas.......

The other interesting thing is the massive experience difference between the "Off the Street" nerw hires and Jazz PML new hires. Not sure why AC is continuing with such a high ratio PML intake when it is causing them to pass over some incredibly skilled and experienced applicants. Many of us in the left seat are hoping this changes soon.

The PML ensures they have a steady supply of pilots at the regionals. That's the reason the whole thing exists. I'm sure AC would rather hire a 20,000 hr 777 Captain over a 2,000 hr Dash 8 F/O. Not many young 20 somethings would stick around at Jazz if they didn't have the PML, and they had to change the acceptance rate to 90% because everyone was leaving after their PFO in past years.

[Dry Guy]

What's so bas about the dreaded reserve? Is it just not being able to plan your month? How often do you get called out? Are there months where you get paid just to sit at home? If you get called out can you pass it on to someone less senior than you if they are available? Is there a limit to that?

[bcflyer]

The reserve rules at AC are archaic and border on illegall. As a junior reserve (and they’ll be junior reserve fur a while) Crew Sked owns your ass. Think you are going for a nice two day pairing and come home 6 days later. It’s not a nice place to be.