This is impossible.
New hire Sun Wing pilots make $150-200k per year??
Even a 5th year RP who would be working max 9 days per month would be in the low 100s...
Try again Troll
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This is impossible.
He said "Southwest" not "Sunwing."flashheart wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:40 pmThis is impossible.
New hire Sun Wing pilots make $150-200k per year??
Even a 5th year RP who would be working max 9 days per month would be in the low 100s...
Try again Troll
ahh...then in that case...yes it is patheticdanield wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:52 pmHe said "Southwest" not "Sunwing."flashheart wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:40 pmThis is impossible.
New hire Sun Wing pilots make $150-200k per year??
Even a 5th year RP who would be working max 9 days per month would be in the low 100s...
Try again Troll
A couple of counterpoints.danield wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:33 pmMy Year 3 flat pay yielded 113k last year with a little bit of overtime and I made over 80k my first year and 90k my 2nd in the right seat of the EMJ. I have recently "offered" to take a WB FO position with the company and am happy with my decision. I work half as much as I did on the narrow body and I will gladly collect my 200k in 11 months time as a block holder while my colleagues elect to sit on reserve at the bottom of the 320CA list.Puffpuffpass wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:46 amThis is what every pilot who bid the 777 F/O, while in flat pay, needs to have a good long look at.....because you will be making nowhere near that, enjoy chatting with the crew about there boats and Porsche's while you hope they cover the bus tip on arrival.......thats a $200K seat that you just offered to do for $60G's. Literally every crew member on the plane will be making as much as you....most in the back end will be making more than you on an Asia pairing. Way to go !!!Lost in Saigon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:25 pm This is a typical 12 year pay B777 pay stub. Some B777 FOs are slightly higher because they are on "grandfathered" pay from the previous contract.
This year end stub reflects a November YYZ-HKG overtime trip and another OT trip earlier in the year. Those that do a lot of overtime can make a lot more.
pay stub dec 2018crop.jpg
Also, for somebody on flat pay who does NOT want to work any overtime a quick way to make an extra $600/month net (equivalent to $900 gross, or $10,800 annually) is to bid a WB position and collect the additional perdiems.
Faulting somebody for solitifying a guaranteed pay raise in 4 years while the position is available to them is exactly what is wrong with Canadian Pilots! Flat pay was voted on and passed by Canadian Pilots! I am just doing the best I can with the hand I was dealt. I still feel very fortunate to be here and will continue to fight to increase wages and working conditions for everyone, including those hired after me. I did not invent Flat pay, I am simply managing it with the knowledge that my pay will double in 11 months time.
First off, I am already a block holder this month, may have been an anomaly however when all pilots are trained I will have enough below me to be a junior blockholder or senior reserve in my position. Nonetheless, reserve on this airplane is infinitely better than what I experienced as a blockholder on the EMJ at 50%.yycflyguy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:24 amA couple of counterpoints.danield wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:33 pmMy Year 3 flat pay yielded 113k last year with a little bit of overtime and I made over 80k my first year and 90k my 2nd in the right seat of the EMJ. I have recently "offered" to take a WB FO position with the company and am happy with my decision. I work half as much as I did on the narrow body and I will gladly collect my 200k in 11 months time as a block holder while my colleagues elect to sit on reserve at the bottom of the 320CA list.Puffpuffpass wrote: ↑Thu Jan 10, 2019 7:46 am
This is what every pilot who bid the 777 F/O, while in flat pay, needs to have a good long look at.....because you will be making nowhere near that, enjoy chatting with the crew about there boats and Porsche's while you hope they cover the bus tip on arrival.......thats a $200K seat that you just offered to do for $60G's. Literally every crew member on the plane will be making as much as you....most in the back end will be making more than you on an Asia pairing. Way to go !!!
Also, for somebody on flat pay who does NOT want to work any overtime a quick way to make an extra $600/month net (equivalent to $900 gross, or $10,800 annually) is to bid a WB position and collect the additional perdiems.
Faulting somebody for solitifying a guaranteed pay raise in 4 years while the position is available to them is exactly what is wrong with Canadian Pilots! Flat pay was voted on and passed by Canadian Pilots! I am just doing the best I can with the hand I was dealt. I still feel very fortunate to be here and will continue to fight to increase wages and working conditions for everyone, including those hired after me. I did not invent Flat pay, I am simply managing it with the knowledge that my pay will double in 11 months time.
First. Per diems are not income. They are not salary. Yes, you can use them to maximize your income but never forget; they are a re-imbursement of your costs while away from home generating revenue for your employer.
Second. As a year 3 flat pay pilot - do you really expect to be a block holder in 11 months? Friends with 8+ years only get the occasional block on the B777. I think you better prepare yourself for years of reserve duty.
Third. Although some of your seniority colleagues have bid 320CA and will sit reserve (probably the same expectation that a year 3 WB FO) at least they are released from flat pay and go to Captain rates.
Four. My personal opinion is that guys doing VO have helped put downward pressure on our hourly wages for every position. This is very important: WORKING MORE HOURS IS NOT A PAY RAISE.
I respect that you had nothing to do with this atrocious WAWCON contract that we passed by an unimpressive 53% but it is not right that we now have the worlds cheapest B777/B787 FOS, are the only airline that uses an RP position instead of FOs, and that we are known as the Pirates of the Atlantic for doing crossings with only 2 pilots. Meanwhile, the company has enjoyed the most profitable 3 years (perhaps ever) without recognizing the sacrifices pilots have made over the past 15 years.
It is no ones business but your own what you choose to do with your career.danield wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:24 amFirst off, I am already a block holder this month, may have been an anomaly however when all pilots are trained I will have enough below me to be a junior blockholder or senior reserve in my position. Nonetheless, reserve on this airplane is infinitely better than what I experienced as a blockholder on the EMJ at 50%.yycflyguy wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 10:24 amA couple of counterpoints.danield wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 1:33 pm
My Year 3 flat pay yielded 113k last year with a little bit of overtime and I made over 80k my first year and 90k my 2nd in the right seat of the EMJ. I have recently "offered" to take a WB FO position with the company and am happy with my decision. I work half as much as I did on the narrow body and I will gladly collect my 200k in 11 months time as a block holder while my colleagues elect to sit on reserve at the bottom of the 320CA list.
Also, for somebody on flat pay who does NOT want to work any overtime a quick way to make an extra $600/month net (equivalent to $900 gross, or $10,800 annually) is to bid a WB position and collect the additional perdiems.
Faulting somebody for solitifying a guaranteed pay raise in 4 years while the position is available to them is exactly what is wrong with Canadian Pilots! Flat pay was voted on and passed by Canadian Pilots! I am just doing the best I can with the hand I was dealt. I still feel very fortunate to be here and will continue to fight to increase wages and working conditions for everyone, including those hired after me. I did not invent Flat pay, I am simply managing it with the knowledge that my pay will double in 11 months time.
First. Per diems are not income. They are not salary. Yes, you can use them to maximize your income but never forget; they are a re-imbursement of your costs while away from home generating revenue for your employer.
Second. As a year 3 flat pay pilot - do you really expect to be a block holder in 11 months? Friends with 8+ years only get the occasional block on the B777. I think you better prepare yourself for years of reserve duty.
Third. Although some of your seniority colleagues have bid 320CA and will sit reserve (probably the same expectation that a year 3 WB FO) at least they are released from flat pay and go to Captain rates.
Four. My personal opinion is that guys doing VO have helped put downward pressure on our hourly wages for every position. This is very important: WORKING MORE HOURS IS NOT A PAY RAISE.
I respect that you had nothing to do with this atrocious WAWCON contract that we passed by an unimpressive 53% but it is not right that we now have the worlds cheapest B777/B787 FOS, are the only airline that uses an RP position instead of FOs, and that we are known as the Pirates of the Atlantic for doing crossings with only 2 pilots. Meanwhile, the company has enjoyed the most profitable 3 years (perhaps ever) without recognizing the sacrifices pilots have made over the past 15 years.
Second, those who bid the 320CA position close to my seniority are only now being trained, after about a 3 month training process they will be pay activated.. so sure, they will receive 8 months of formula pay more than I will.. I can stomach that knowing that I am at home reading the newspaper most of the month.
Back to your previous post. Again, I did not volunteer to a 200k position for 60k. I simply paved the way for the next several years of my career with a balance of pay and lifestyle, and this position was best suited for that. Pilots are quick to point the finger at eachother, but everybody's situation is different. I was not on property when 4 year flat pay was voted on, nor was I around for DC pension, Rouge, Sky Regional, and every other wonderful gesture the previous generation of pilots left me to deal with. So that is what I am doing, dealing with the hand I was dealt. I still feel fortunate to be here and I will do the best I can to get the most out of my career.
I pray Air Canada does not have an accident operating like this. The fatigue levels of a crew landing in Europe after flying all night must be the equivalent of more than a couple pints of Guinness.
We already have.Daniel Cooper wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:48 amI pray Air Canada does not have an accident operating like this. The fatigue levels of a crew landing in Europe after flying all night must be the equivalent of more than a couple pints of Guinness.
danield wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:24 am
First off, I am already a block holder this month, may have been an anomaly however when all pilots are trained I will have enough below me to be a junior blockholder or senior reserve in my position. Nonetheless, reserve on this airplane is infinitely better than what I experienced as a blockholder on the EMJ at 50%.
Second, those who bid the 320CA position close to my seniority are only now being trained, after about a 3 month training process they will be pay activated.. so sure, they will receive 8 months of formula pay more than I will.. I can stomach that knowing that I am at home reading the newspaper most of the month.
Back to your previous post. Again, I did not volunteer to a 200k position for 60k. I simply paved the way for the next several years of my career with a balance of pay and lifestyle, and this position was best suited for that. Pilots are quick to point the finger at eachother, but everybody's situation is different. I was not on property when 4 year flat pay was voted on, nor was I around for DC pension, Rouge, Sky Regional, and every other wonderful gesture the previous generation of pilots left me to deal with. So that is what I am doing, dealing with the hand I was dealt. I still feel fortunate to be here and I will do the best I can to get the most out of my career.
I'm glad everything is working out. The overseas operation is generally a great part of the airline. You'll enjoy the aircraft and routes. WB reserve isn't that bad except maybe the occasional midnight re-crew or auggie call out when a late departure goes mechanical... and the upgrade isn't for everyone either only a couple years in.danield wrote:First off, I am already a block holder this month, may have been an anomaly however when all pilots are trained I will have enough below me to be a junior blockholder or senior reserve in my position.
Facts! We don’t need no stinking facts!
Well that’s an in interesting take on the democratic voting process. You should propose that at our next constitutional amendment conference. Why stop there? Default vote should be Conversative if you don’t vote. Or maybe Liberal... Hmmm... But you know how they would have voted, right?
Sure, and only 36.8% of AC pilots voted against it. Feel better? Worse?
More like the “I can make $250k working 6-9 days per month with summer vacation” position.dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:25 am What's with the gloating? Isn't the 777 FO position known as the 'trouble maker' position? Guys who failed their upgrade, too scared to do it, or just don't fit in anywhere else in the company?
You seriously think this ? LOL. Most are prior NB Skips who can't bare to work another 18 day month for the same amount of cash....up until last year this was a 10-15 year seat. Sure there are a few wankers around, but that goes the same for every type we have.....the same could also be said for every airline, at least everyone I've ever flown for.dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:25 am What's with the gloating? Isn't the 777 FO position known as the 'trouble maker' position? Guys who failed their upgrade, too scared to do it, or just don't fit in anywhere else in the company?
Seems like you are pointing the finger at the previous generation of pilots. Me me me me me. Thats all I read in your posts.danield wrote: ↑Wed Feb 06, 2019 11:24 am Pilots are quick to point the finger at eachother, but everybody's situation is different.
I was not on property when 4 year flat pay was voted on, nor was I around for DC pension, Rouge, Sky Regional, and every other wonderful gesture the previous generation of pilots left me to deal with.
So that is what I am doing, dealing with the hand I was dealt.
NB is capped at 16.annonyous123 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 12:26 pmYou seriously think this ? LOL. Most are prior NB Skips who can't bare to work another 18 day month for the same amount of cash....up until last year this was a 10-15 year seat. Sure there are a few wankers around, but that goes the same for every type we have.....the same could also be said for every airline, at least everyone I've ever flown for.dumbbell daddy wrote: ↑Fri Feb 08, 2019 4:25 am What's with the gloating? Isn't the 777 FO position known as the 'trouble maker' position? Guys who failed their upgrade, too scared to do it, or just don't fit in anywhere else in the company?
WB flying at AC is like flying for a different company compared to NB.....we stay at nice hotels(usually), we work much less(for the most part), Very seldom IROPS, much better Per diems, you get to experience every culture on the planet....and usually after every 3 day trip you are off for a week.