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Re: AC pay rates

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altiplano wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:47 am
Inverted2 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:31 am Out of curiosity what is NAV pay?
CA $10.93/ hour

FO $5.46/ hour

RP $3.28/ hour
Sorry I wasn’t clear. What is NAV pay actually for? Like for celestial navigation or entering Lat/Long on those dino 320’s? :lol:
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yycflyguy wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 8:41 am Like everything at AC; it's complicated, not necessarily secretive.

Your pay is not purely based on an hourly rate, it is broken down to the minute. Each month has a different DBM. There are day/night differences, step differences, Overseas premium (some a/c), Navigation premium (some a/c), AVO premium opportunities, flat pay v formulae, FO rates based on a percentage of Captain hourly, passport allowance, shoe allowance, ART once a year, Sim pay (every six months or eight months depending rouge v mainline, vacation pay.

You need to be a forensic account to figure out if you have paid correctly, and every pilot has a unique set of circumstances.

IMO the complicated pay is by design as most guys won't go through their expenses and pay to ensure correctness. I was finding around $150/month in expense errors for years. $1500/year times 4000 pilots gets to be a pretty big number, pretty fast.
Yes, most airlines have similar yet they are still able to publish hourly rates for all to see.
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nightbird wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 5:34 pm PAY-TABLES-EFFECTIVE-APRIL-2%2c-2018.pdfPAY-TABLES-EFFECTIVE-APRIL-2%2c-2018.pdf
Thank you!

So do all fleets get the navaid pay for all hours flown?

Is overseas pay for all flights outside of Canada? Or North America?

What about Rouge rates?
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Nav Pay applies to overseas operations defined as:

Any flight operation that departs and/or arrives outside of Canada, the United
States (excluding Hawaii), Mexico, the Bahamas and the Territorial
Collectivity of Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon

Pilots on flat pay don’t receive nav pay.
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Is 1000 credit hours a year a good estimate?
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900 guaranteed for pilots on flat pay (75h a month). Used to be 900 guaranteed for everyone when we had the Cargojet wetlease, I’m not sure of the status of that now.

A wild guess would be around 80h a month average depending on the fleet and how productive the flying is, block holder vs reserve etc... some do overtime every month others bid reserve to fly the least amount possible.
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goleafsgo wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:01 pm
pilotbzh wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:09 pm First 4 years of misery

02-Apr-18
guaranteed up to 75 monthly block hours Year Monthly
Status of svc Rate

FO 01 4,416.00 $
FO 02 4,828.50 $
FO 03 5,502.75 $
FO 04 6,162.00 $
Those are monthly pay before deductions?
Pilots on flat pay don’t receive nav pay.

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goleafsgo wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:01 pm
pilotbzh wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 2:09 pm First 4 years of misery

02-Apr-18
guaranteed up to 75 monthly block hours Year Monthly
Status of svc Rate

FO 01 4,416.00 $
FO 02 4,828.50 $
FO 03 5,502.75 $
FO 04 6,162.00 $
Those are monthly pay before deductions?
That looks about the base flight pay guarantee only, pretax.
Hours over 75, premiums, training, contractual payouts, profit share, etc, are in addition.
Inverted2 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 4:08 pm
altiplano wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:47 am
Inverted2 wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 10:31 am Out of curiosity what is NAV pay?
CA $10.93/ hour

FO $5.46/ hour

RP $3.28/ hour
Sorry I wasn’t clear. What is NAV pay actually for? Like for celestial navigation or entering Lat/Long on those dino 320’s? :lol:
I see you got your answer...

Nav pay is only on the NB overseas, I think too... WB don't get Nav, Overseas pay only.
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Yes that clears it up thank you.
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nightbird wrote: Mon Dec 03, 2018 6:16 pm Nav Pay applies to overseas operations defined as:

Any flight operation that departs and/or arrives outside of Canada, the United
States (excluding Hawaii), Mexico, the Bahamas and the Territorial
Collectivity of Saint-Pierre-et-Miquelon

Pilots on flat pay don’t receive nav pay.
Neither does rouge
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