Who will bid the A220?

[Gino Under]

I have to say this (in a similar vane) I can't believe there are ANY flights you operate that you don’t get provided a meal or sandwich tray. If you operate through any meal period you should be fed. When I flew, crew meals were always provided. Our F/As regularly came into the flight deck not only to see if we were still alive but to at least offer us ‘something’. It certainly is a safety issue.
Pilots generally have historically under sold their worth and when you look at the airline history in Canada from 1975 through to the present, it’s been a real sh*t show.

Gino

[altiplano]

Domestic early starts we always get a breakfast, and as I said, if I want one, I can always get a meal or snack... but I prefer getting paid vs. the old system of not being paid when flying through meal times.

[sanjet]

Domestic early starts we always get a breakfast, and as I said, if I want one, I can always get a meal or snack... but I prefer getting paid vs. the old system of not being paid when flying through meal times.

+1

Give me the per diems anytime over meals so I can buy quality meals or groceries to pack myself.

[GRK2]

No. I’m not advocating you take a reduction in pay. Not at all. And I didn’t say that either. I simply find it hard to believe nav pay would even be a reality in this day and age. Having re-read my remarks I appreciate how my written words have come across. To be honest I haven’t a clue what your CBA contains nor is it any of my business. Nav Pay just sounded like an incredible scam with the in-service airliners of today. i.e., A220, A330, B787, B777

Remember Astral nav on the old North Stars and Super Constellations? DC8s and 707s? Nav pay made sense back then.
Nav pay on anything after the B767 just seems to be nothing more than overly creative interpretation of legacy.
I’d suggest getting rid of it by re-naming it something like Radiation Pay and hiking the rate a bit. You know, high altitude exposure to high altitude radiation? A little more plausible IMHO. You might already have it as far as I know.
At least it would be more credible than Nav pay.
Would you not agree?

Gino Under

NAV pay: When there were actually real Navigators on such aircraft as the North Stars, Super Connies etc, there was a pay rate. Then they dumped them for IRS nav, (the old Carousel IRS had a data base of 9 waypoints! What is the base today anyway? Thousands?) They earned their pay to be sure those navigators. Nowadays Gino refers to "Nav pay" as if was a disease, but what happens when things start to fail, such as onboard systems, or satellite based problems occur? There are many many long range flights that require PBN or multiple levels of RNP (Both lateral and vertical) to navigate 100 of miles from a suitable diversion airport. Can you maintain the operation or do you divert? Continue? Where to go? How? So I imagine it still is "Nav pay" although "nav" rarely fails. The way most professional pilots earn their keep is not for what they do every day, it's for what they know how to do when shit starts to go wrong. I vote to keep the name! It's a knowledge bank I would prefer a crew to have on those dark crappy nights when no one really wants to think about "what could possibly go wrong?"

[Duke Point]

Gino is an AC troll. He has been for years. Air Canada history spans over 80 years. His airline's history could likely be counted on two hands, and maybe a foot. Needless to say he's paid differently.

He has also been around long enough to know full well that "Formula Pay" has been around since the dawn of the jet age, and AC was around long before that. The said "formula" is based on many factors, certainly some now redundant, but they certainly weren't in 1960. Pay is pay......who really cares how its derived. Honestly. WTF.

Don't feed the troll. He's obviously bored somewhere abroad, trying to get a rise out of you guys.

His milk was soured somehow by AC long ago, hence the anamosity.

DP.

[Gino Under]

Duke
Boo hoo. You hurt my feelings. Boo hoo hoo
Where's my comfort pony??

GRK2
You raise some excellent points which certainly bear value. Thanks for keeping it civil.

Gino Under