Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by Warden » Mon Jun 24, 2019 12:15 pm

altiplano wrote:
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:17 am
Is it failure? Or people walking away during the upgrade before they potentially fail and get a strike against?

I know a couple that were the latter I've the past year or so.... in the end it's an unsuccessful upgrade attempt so same:same I guess...

I'd be surprised if 80%, I'd be surprised if 20% even... but I'm not in training department so maybe I'm out of the loop on this...
I heard it was %5.

So everyone hears different things. Maybe %5 is actual fail rate, %20 might be including those who decide to step back from the course.
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by '97 Tercel » Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:49 pm

upgrading on a new type is like renting a new place with your tinder date, it's going to be a little akward.

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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by fish4life » Tue Jun 25, 2019 3:37 pm

'97 Tercel wrote:
Tue Jun 25, 2019 1:49 pm
upgrading on a new type is like renting a new place with your tinder date, it's going to be a little akward.

:lol:
Probably one of the best analogies I’ve heard
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by yaba » Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:21 pm

How do upgrades work at AC? If you meet the company requirments in terms of hours is it then just senority? Is there an interview or SIM evaluation?
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by bcflyer » Tue Jul 09, 2019 10:58 am

It’s purely seniority. There are no hour requirements, interviews or sim evaluations
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by jpilot77 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:29 am

Incorrect. Seniority is part of it but there is an command interview and command sim evaluations.
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by altiplano » Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:10 pm

Not much of an interview... not everyone does it and it's not limiting... meet and greet with the fleet CP at most.

The upgrade position award is 100% seniority based.

But you have to be able to pass it...
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by bcflyer » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:30 pm

They actually took the command interview out of the FOM. The command sims are part of the upgrade process not the selection process.
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by yycflyguy » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:06 am

The command sims are not TC mandated either. It's an extra step that AC uses. The philosophy behind the command sims used to be to load the candidate up (sometimes with unrelated, unfair scenarios) but now they are treating it like a thorough LOE that is meant to build some confidence. Kinder, gentler AC now :lol:
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by islandguy » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:35 pm

yycflyguy wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:06 am
The command sims are not TC mandated either. It's an extra step that AC uses. The philosophy behind the command sims used to be to load the candidate up (sometimes with unrelated, unfair scenarios) but now they are treating it like a thorough LOE that is meant to build some confidence. Kinder, gentler AC now :lol:
I think that also varies by fleet (and by the amount of time the training department has been operating). The 320 command sims are still very much of the 'one engine is stalling, the other is on fire, and you're hand flying in alternate law to minimums with an incapacitated FO' variety. I saw a brief description of the 737 command sim and it seemed more like what you describe—a somewhat more intense LOE. As the guy who told me about it put it, 'that sounds like a regular 4 month sim on the 320!'. Perhaps a reflection that it's a new fleet that's attracting a fair number of new captains...who knows.
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by altiplano » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:05 pm

One thing in the command sims is you won't always take the route that the checker would have chosen for himself, and you won't do everything perfect. Maybe you complicate something for yourself or miss something, but you keep going, make reasonable, justifiable decisions, never stop using the resources available, and see it through to the end safely - even if you're getting loaded up.

You run through 4 different loft/loe scenarios over 2 days, or at least mine was that, so the checker gets a feel for how you run the ship, and your confidence and knowledge level too. That holds a lot of sway I think, even if you get behind the 8-ball a bit in a scenario.

I would have done a few things different in mine, maybe several. Plus I pounded it on the runway every time... fucking simulator... but I still came or the other end successful, and it was a good learning experience.
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by Eric Janson » Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:14 pm

Old fella wrote:
Fri Jun 21, 2019 8:09 am
What is the hardest part of command training if I may ask since you mentioned there quite a few evaluation processes along the route to getting the four stripes.
The hardest part for me was learning to taxi the aircraft. There was no tiller on the right side so I had never taxied the aircraft.
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Re: Upgrade Times and current pool of eligible FOs

Post by mixturerich » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:01 pm

yycflyguy wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:06 am
The command sims are not TC mandated either. It's an extra step that AC uses. The philosophy behind the command sims used to be to load the candidate up (sometimes with unrelated, unfair scenarios) but now they are treating it like a thorough LOE that is meant to build some confidence. Kinder, gentler AC now :lol:
A “hazing ritual” as some have called it. You get your captaincy letter in the mail yet still have to go through the last few brutal sims.
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