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will AC take non ac express pilots?

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Just curious if AC is still hiring higher time pilots who are looking to get into airlines (after a layoff/company closure) and now thinking about my age and looking to short cut into something more stable. With over 9000 hours including mostly turbine PIC and training captain, would think i would have value to offer.
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About 30% of new hires aren’t Express... So yes you do have a good shot depending of what kind of experience you have!
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Age is not an issue and could be an asset; individuals in their mid fifties have been hired.
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L39Guy wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:12 pm Age is not an issue and could be an asset; individuals in their mid fifties have been hired.
I would argue that what AC is looking for - and needs - is relevant experience that allows for rapid promotion.

Education, language, age most likely carry less weight than ever before if a pilot logbook has more filled out pages than blank pages.
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Age = experience (flying hours) makes up for a lack of post secondary education if you have experience on the right type of aircraft, particularly wide bodies.
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They are looking for airline and overseas experienced guys to fill widebody right seats.
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altiplano wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:42 pm They are looking for airline and overseas experienced guys to fill widebody right seats.
If the starting pay was increased, they would get dozens of corporate jet guys with lots of overseas experience. And those that stayed in corporate would have the benefit of higher pay due to the “pilot shortage”. Fingers crossed!
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They don't need to raise the pay. The last few PIT courses have had guys with plenty of jet time from all over the world.
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skypirate88 wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:46 pm They don't need to raise the pay. The last few PIT courses have had guys with plenty of jet time from all over the world.
Because these guys are looking for a hobby while they enjoy Canada’s lifestyle, they’ve already been appropriately compensated for their competencies when they were working abroad. Also the hiring process is easy at AC, no sim eval and they are desperate at the moment so why not giving a shot (words from my friend who joined AC after having spent 10 years on the 777 in Dubai).
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JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:29 pm
altiplano wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:42 pm They are looking for airline and overseas experienced guys to fill widebody right seats.
If the starting pay was increased, they would get dozens of corporate jet guys with lots of overseas experience. And those that stayed in corporate would have the benefit of higher pay due to the “pilot shortage”. Fingers crossed!
WB time to fill WB seats. The “overseas” is pretty much irrelevant I would imagine.
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Hangry wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:40 am
JohnnyHotRocks wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 6:29 pm
altiplano wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 2:42 pm They are looking for airline and overseas experienced guys to fill widebody right seats.
If the starting pay was increased, they would get dozens of corporate jet guys with lots of overseas experience. And those that stayed in corporate would have the benefit of higher pay due to the “pilot shortage”. Fingers crossed!
WB time to fill WB seats. The “overseas” is pretty much irrelevant I would imagine.
What is the logic behind this? US major carriers are putting new hires in the 757/767.

Why would a CRJ/175 CA not be qualified to sit in the right seat of a WB?
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Why would a CRJ/175 CA not be qualified to sit in the right seat of a WB?
Because of their competencies: when you fly WB you loose your flying skills; it’s easy flying and you perform 2 ILS aproaches and 2 landings per month: you don’t know how to fly an aircraft anymore. It’s a great strategic decision to put CRJ CA on a NB that is flying in more stressful and demanding environments. That’s why WB goes senior: you want to have less stress and work less for the money.
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rudder wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:26 pm
L39Guy wrote: Fri Jan 24, 2020 1:12 pm Age is not an issue and could be an asset; individuals in their mid fifties have been hired.
I would argue that what AC is looking for - and needs - is relevant experience that allows for rapid promotion.

Education, language, age most likely carry less weight than ever before if a pilot logbook has more filled out pages than blank pages.

I have worked with many 50 and up new hires. Latest was a former expat. Rudder is right you can tell AC is looking for people who are quickly upgradable. A couple of years ago that source was Jazz. Now the source seems to be Expats, WestJet, Cargojet, Canadian North ect.
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AC is a vacuum cleaner with a very specific filter in place :wink:
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FL320 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:03 am when you fly WB you loose your flying skills
Just tighten them back up again!
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FL320 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:03 am
Why would a CRJ/175 CA not be qualified to sit in the right seat of a WB?
Because of their competencies: when you fly WB you loose your flying skills; it’s easy flying and you perform 2 ILS aproaches and 2 landings per month: you don’t know how to fly an aircraft anymore. It’s a great strategic decision to put CRJ CA on a NB that is flying in more stressful and demanding environments. That’s why WB goes senior: you want to have less stress and work less for the money.
Bro, you have no idea.
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FL320 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:03 am
Why would a CRJ/175 CA not be qualified to sit in the right seat of a WB?
Because of their competencies: when you fly WB you loose your flying skills; it’s easy flying and you perform 2 ILS aproaches and 2 landings per month: you don’t know how to fly an aircraft anymore. It’s a great strategic decision to put CRJ CA on a NB that is flying in more stressful and demanding environments. That’s why WB goes senior: you want to have less stress and work less for the money.

You’ve never done widebody flying obviously. So, flying around China where you can’t understand the controllers and altitudes are in meters (but sometimes in feet, depending on how they feel), or flying into Heathrow where you have to deal with multiple holds and constant descent track miles to touchdown, all on the back end of your body clock is easy flying in a less demanding environment? Don’t even get me started on flying over the ‘stans or Russia. Give me a break. Flying overseas is a different challenge as every airspace and country you fly into has their own rules and procedures and sometimes it’s a full on shitshow.

The jet lag and fatigue of doing long haul can be really rough on the body too. Sure, you don’t take off and land as much, but calling it easy flying is something said by someone who has never done it.

The reason it goes senior is you get paid more, you work fewer days, and most long haul people enjoy eating dumplings in Hong Kong a lot more than going to Moxies in Saskatoon. But each type of flying has its own challenges.
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SAExpress wrote: Mon Jan 27, 2020 2:20 pm
FL320 wrote: Sat Jan 25, 2020 8:03 am
Why would a CRJ/175 CA not be qualified to sit in the right seat of a WB?
Because of their competencies: when you fly WB you loose your flying skills; it’s easy flying and you perform 2 ILS aproaches and 2 landings per month: you don’t know how to fly an aircraft anymore. It’s a great strategic decision to put CRJ CA on a NB that is flying in more stressful and demanding environments. That’s why WB goes senior: you want to have less stress and work less for the money.

You’ve never done widebody flying obviously. So, flying around China where you can’t understand the controllers and altitudes are in meters (but sometimes in feet, depending on how they feel), or flying into Heathrow where you have to deal with multiple holds and constant descent track miles to touchdown, all on the back end of your body clock is easy flying in a less demanding environment? Don’t even get me started on flying over the ‘stans or Russia. Give me a break. Flying overseas is a different challenge as every airspace and country you fly into has their own rules and procedures and sometimes it’s a full on shitshow.

The jet lag and fatigue of doing long haul can be really rough on the body too. Sure, you don’t take off and land as much, but calling it easy flying is something said by someone who has never done it.

The reason it goes senior is you get paid more, you work fewer days, and most long haul people enjoy eating dumplings in Hong Kong a lot more than going to Moxies in Saskatoon. But each type of flying has its own challenges.
No need to have flown 777, 767, 330, etc... to have this experience and understand how it works. A little bit of study and you're good to go, it isn't that hard, at all. Flying to Russia, as long as you understand flight levels are in feet and below is in meter and in QFE you're good to go (Altitude are usually pre determined on your place to make it even easier...). nothing too crazy, same with China or any other countries. All you have to do is study a bit. No need a ton of experience to be an FO on a WB aircraft flying international. Guys at Voyager or any international corporate/medevac operations pilots would be able to fly any big jet in those areas. Anyway... AC will take whoever they want whenever they want. They have no problem taking a ton of dash 8 pilots who never left Canada to put them on heavy jet while guys mentioned above still wait :lol: . It's not about experience really, it's about how well you did at your interview.

"The reason it goes senior is you get paid more, you work fewer days, and most long haul people enjoy eating dumplings in Hong Kong a lot more than going to Moxies in Saskatoon. But each type of flying has its own challenges." 100%.
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