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My last update on the numbers was 9 days ago.

Sounds like a test kit as been developed in the US that will provide results in 5 - 15 minutes. I'm sure this will translate to a significant increase in case numbers, both positive AND recovered cases. The US have now taken the lead in total cases and with their slow response to this virus it stands to reason they're still weeks if not months away from getting a handle on this thing so we can expect the borders to remain closed for a while longer.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Numbers as of 11:30am ET.

Total Cases
885,689

Deaths
44,216

Recovered
185,226

Mild Condition
622,469 (95%)

Serious or Critical
33,778 (5%)

Most affected Countries

USA
189,886 (149,031 new cases in 9 days)

Italy
105,792 (41,865 new cases in 9 days)

Spain
102,136

China
81,554 (461 new cases in 9 days)
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So the world officially breeched the 1,000,000 mark with Covid-19.

That means that after 5 months, 1 person in 7700 alive on Earth has it, or has already recovered from it. At this rate, even if it multiplies a few times, it'll be years yet before its makes its way through the population.

Don't expect life to return to normal anytime soon with Governments trying to isolate the entire population of the earth.

Are we ready for whats ahead economically? Are we prepared to even pay back the TRILLIONS its cost ---so far---? Most of us in badly affected industries might last 6-8 months, some far less.

I say islolate and protect the most vulnerable, meaning the sick and elderly, or those with underlying medical conditions......then send the "nearly immune" children back to school, and leave the rest of us (likely only 30% with identifiable symptoms) to call in sick with a dry-cough for a week or two if infected, and be done.

…..or we can keep going indefinitely with this budget destroying, industry wrecking, savings burning, retirement savings decimating, draconian police state insanity....
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RippleRock wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:30 pm
So the world officially breeched the 1,000,000 mark with Covid-19.

That means that after 5 months, 1 person in 7700 alive on Earth has it, or has already recovered from it. At this rate, even if it multiplies a few times, it'll be years yet before its makes its way through the population.

Don't expect life to return to normal anytime soon with Governments trying to isolate the entire population of the earth.

Are we ready for whats ahead economically? Most of us in badly affected industries might last 6-8 months, some far less.

I say islolate and protect the most vulnerable, meaning the sick and elderly......then send the "nearly immune" children back to school, and leave the rest of us to call in sick with a dry-cough for a week or two if infected, and be done.
What they define as “mild” symptoms are actually pneumonia that do not require hospitalization. An infant died and young people also die. 1M people infected is from those that were. There are most likely a lot more than that.
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Its nice to see that there are some comfortable with shutting down the planet for an indefined period for what most healthy people will experience as a dry-cough and a shortness of breath. Personally I'd trade having it for two weeks rather than lose my house.

Just my opinion though.
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RippleRock wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:51 pm
Its nice to see that there are some comfortable with shutting down the planet for an indefined period for what most healthy people will experience as a dry-cough and a shortness of breath. Personally I'd trade having it for two weeks rather than lose my house.

Just my opinion though.
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RippleRock wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:51 pm
Its nice to see that there are some comfortable with shutting down the planet for an indefined period for what most healthy people will experience as a dry-cough and a shortness of breath. Personally I'd trade having it for two weeks rather than lose my house.

Just my opinion though.
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RippleRock wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:51 pm
Its nice to see that there are some comfortable with shutting down the planet for an indefined period for what most healthy people will experience as a dry-cough and a shortness of breath. Personally I'd trade having it for two weeks rather than lose my house.

Just my opinion though.
Nobody is "comfortable" shutting down the planet for anything, it's done because it is necessary to save millions of lives and avoid many other terrible consequences far larger than a temporary hit to the economy. While you personally might be willing to risk death rather than lose your house, you thankfully do not speak for any of the other 7 billion people on the planet.
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Rockie wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:02 am
RippleRock wrote:
Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:51 pm
Its nice to see that there are some comfortable with shutting down the planet for an indefined period for what most healthy people will experience as a dry-cough and a shortness of breath. Personally I'd trade having it for two weeks rather than lose my house.

Just my opinion though.
Nobody is "comfortable" shutting down the planet for anything, it's done because it is necessary to save millions of lives and avoid many other terrible consequences far larger than a temporary hit to the economy. While you personally might be willing to risk death rather than lose your house, you thankfully do not speak for any of the other 7 billion people on the planet.
What you fail to understand is that the hit to the economy will bring another serious sanitary crisis that will be responsible for more deaths than the virus itself, there is a point of non return and the gouvernements will have to decide accordingly. I just read an interesting article about it written by a french strategic scientist with specific numbers: let’s see how these 7 billion people will react when there is no more money in their pockets...
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Unlike us governments the world over have unlimited access to top medical, economic and scientific expertise, and with notable exceptions (looking at you America) have reached a collective decision to isolate knowing the risks and consequences that action by itself entails. They have agreed it is the lesser of all the remaining evils. Why anyone would trust quackery, abject ignorance and peanut gallery wisdom over science is beyond me.
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There will always be people willing to kill others in order to survive themselves. Just as long as nobody comes for them, everything is just fine. I am not comfortable unnecessarily murdering millions, just because I am afraid of the unknown. By not isolating, and ignoring the threat of infection, we are doing great harm to many people, some of whom are close to us, and we would like to live a little longer. Yes, eventually we all die, but please, not just yet. Do your part, not for yourself, or your loved ones, because obviously you do not care about that, but for the rest of us. Please. WE can do this.

Good comment Rockie, BTW.
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Rockie wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:41 am
Unlike us governments the world over have access to reams of expert medical, economic and scientific expertise, and with notable exceptions (looking at you America) have reached a collective decision to isolate knowing the consequences that action by itself entails. They have agreed it is the lesser of all the remaining evils. Why anyone would trust quackery, abject ignorance and peanut gallery wisdom over science is beyond me.
My brother in law is lead scientist working on the virus for the UK Government, they’re expecting 1 year confinement to make it work, or 6 months depending if the summer helps to reduce the impact of the virus. Might be more if there is a 2nd wave.
Hopefully you have available cash in hand to sustain during this period.
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FL320 wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:46 am
Hopefully you have available cash in hand to sustain during this period.
Governments are unhesitantly taking steps to mitigate the financial consequences that would have been criminal two months ago, but are now absolutely necessary. Don't think for a minute they don't know what's at risk and have factored that into their decisions.
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I'm just saying that there are --OTHER WAYS--- to get through this than lock down the entire country. They're starting to crack down on individuals walking in the park for Christ's sake.

Why can we not isolate the vulnerable and elderly instead of everyone???

Science and the numbers have shown that healthy individuals and children especially are at little relative risk. Will this be the worlds reaction to the next SARS like virus that comes out the wet-markets? Because they won't shut them down, and the next one isn't an "if" but a "when".

I doubt our economy could stand "round two, or three", if we make it through this one.
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Rockie wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:55 am
FL320 wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:46 am
Hopefully you have available cash in hand to sustain during this period.
Governments are unhesitantly taking steps to mitigate the financial consequences that would have been criminal two months ago, but are now absolutely necessary. Don't think for a minute they don't know what's at risk and have factored that into their decisions.
It’s not their money and it’s not for free. We will collectively pay for it later, mid class citizen will become poor and low class citizen will be broken; I have no doubt it’s been factored in the collateral damage section.
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RippleRock wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:57 am
Why can we not isolate the vulnerable and elderly instead of everyone???
Because even if you isolate the vulnerable and elderly, enough not-elderly and not-vulnerable people need intensive treatment that hospitals will still be overwhelmed and the health system will still collapse, which will have disastrous consequences for anyone who needs healthcare, which is, basically, everyone.

"Close to 40% of hospitalized COVID-19 patients in the U.S. are aged 20 to 54" says this report:
https://globalnews.ca/news/6704349/us-c ... er-adults/

You may volunteer to run the risk of a cough and shortness of breath, but if you need intubation and mechanical ventilation you will be queuing at the hospital door with everyone else.

Secondly, a large proportion of people who are vulnerable and elderly will decide they can't afford to or don't want to isolate themselves, and they will still get sick, and still turn up at hospitals for treatment.

Thirdly, enough vulnerable and elderly people who are willing to isolate themselves still have to get food, and other personal and medical care, and will then get sick from their necessary contact from other people who are not isolating themselves. With the same results.
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RippleRock wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:57 am
I'm just saying that there are --OTHER WAYS--- to get through this than lock down the entire country. They're starting to crack down on individuals walking in the park for Christ's sake.

Why can we not isolate the vulnerable and elderly instead of everyone???
When we can safely do that at the advice of the experts I'm sure we will, until then - again at the advice of experts - no.
FL320 wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:04 am
It’s not their money and it’s not for free.
You seriously think the government doesn't know that when they implement these measures?
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Some posting here are retired, with a house and Harley paid off, so some aren't in the same position as most of us.

Many here have young children, or College tuition looming and large mortgage payments. Within 6-months a lot of us will be on the brink of insolvency.

Not only will we have to recover our own finances over years, but we will have to pick up the tab for the Governments choices over decades as well.

There has to be a better way of protecting the vulnerable than crashing the economic engine that runs the free world.
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Let's put it this way: do you believe the work done by scientists in the design and build of your airplanes is adequate to ensure your and your passengers' safety? I have put my faith in them. It is no different here: shutting down is the LESSER of the evils we are faced, according to people who know this stuff. When I go flying, I prepare for my flight as best I can, to plan for any problem along the way. Generally, that works for us. THIS pandemic is no different. Surely, you can see the parallels? You cannot decide what to believe and what not to believe, when it comes down to design of a piece of machinery: you have to go with the "experts", because they know more than you, hands down. Do you pull up or push down at the stall? Do you pull up, just because everyone else says to push down, and they must be in some kind of conspiracy together, just to screw me around? No, you do what you are trained to do, just like now during this crisis.

People have to get off this idea that this is some kind of government plot, designed to ruin lives on purpose. The contrary.

Only isolating elderly and vulnerable is not adequate. Anybody who promotes only this, does not understand how these people actually live, and how viruses spread. They shut down care homes all the time for a lot less than this virus, and it still doesn't work half the time.

If you think other methods are better, though, feel free to contact your local MP, and he will pass it on to the right people. He will immediately ask your qualifications: at this point, you can say: I am a pilot. I go on the internet all the time, and know a lot of people, some in other countries. He will say: "I will get right on that"...
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RippleRock wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:24 am

Many here have young children, or College tuition looming and large mortgage payments. Within 6-months a lot of us will be on the brink of insolvency.

There has to be a better way of protecting the vulnerable than crashing the economic engine that runs the free world.
If the choice is family or finances... which would you choose?

Some people need to extract heads from A**.
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Aux1 wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:17 am
RippleRock wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:24 am

Many here have young children, or College tuition looming and large mortgage payments. Within 6-months a lot of us will be on the brink of insolvency.

There has to be a better way of protecting the vulnerable than crashing the economic engine that runs the free world.
If the choice is family or finances... which would you choose?

Some people need to extract heads from A**.
Please explain how you plan to take care of your family without money? Without finance your family is dead. In our society everything has a cost my dear, even your death: “ Some people need to extract heads from A**”

*I fully agree with the government’s decision; I just want to point out that the economic consequences might be catastrophic for many people especially for those who don’t have the money to ride the storm (ie disposable cash equivalent to at least a year)
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RippleRock wrote:
Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:24 am
There has to be a better way of protecting the vulnerable than crashing the economic engine that runs the free world.
What you're feeling RippleRock is fear, which is perfectly normal given that nothing like this has ever happened in any of our lifetimes. And even the last event of this type 100 years ago didn't have the instant communications, 100% TV news coverage and social media misinformation and fear mongering we deal with today. It would be abnormal to not be fearful...I know I am.

But we need to trust the science on this. We need to trust the authorities that say we absolutely have to take these measures or things will be much, much worse. We need to act in unison and with purpose. It is the fastest and least painful way to put this god-damned virus behind us.
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"In a Pandemic, Political Polarization Could Kill People" NYU psychology professor Jay Van Bavel refers to that pivot point as a "reality constraint" on beliefs. In other words, people can disregard reality for a remarkably long time according to motivational reasoning, at least until it comes butting right up against their own personal lives.

I think Rockie hits the nail on the head his post above.

Stay healthy and look after those you care for most.
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It'll be some months, but once they have a viable vaccine in circulation things will recover quite quickly imo
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