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I don't disagree that the economy should be opened though.

They may not, in fact probably will never find a vaccine. They didn't find a SARs vaccine (coronavirus). The other common coronaviruses we encounter don't have a vaccine, they aren't new to us, like SARs and this "novel" coronavirus but they are similar as far as finding vaccine is concerned.

So lock down the vulnerable - without trampling on other people's rights - and let's get this world up and running again. Kids need school, people need jobs, families need earnings, the world goes on...
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This is worth a watch, more people are coming forward.

[YouTube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kgnBldI7KPY[/YouTube]
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From Wikipedia:
Judy Anne Mikovits is an American anti-vaccination activist and former medical researcher. She has made discredited claims about vaccines, coronavirus, and chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS).
Mikovits is an anti-vaccination activist and has spoken at a number of anti-vaccination events. She has falsely claimed that retroviruses have contaminated 30% of vaccines.

Mikovits's has gained attention on social media for promoting conspiracy theories about the 2019–20 coronavirus pandemic. She does not believe that a vaccine is needed to prevent COVID-19 and claims that the coronavirus was "caused by a bad strain of flu shot that was circulating between 2013 and 2015".
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/scien ... ne-jailed/

Might be worth taking her opinions with a grain of salt.
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Jimmyh787 wrote: Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:49 pm [YouTube]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kgnBldI7KPY[/YouTube]
Snopes???! For real? A website was run by a couple, of which one left his wife and married a former porn star. Thats a credible rumors source?

"Facebook has announced plans to check for 'fake news' using a series of organizations to assess whether stories are true
One of them is a website called Snopes.com which claims to be one of the web's 'essential resources' and 'painstaking, scholarly and reliable'
It was founded by husband-and-wife Barbara and David Mikkelson, who used a letterhead claiming they were a non-existent society to start their research
Now they are divorced - with Barbara claiming in legal documents he embezzled $98,000 of company money and spent it on 'himself and prostitutes'
In a lengthy and bitter legal dispute he is claiming to be underpaid and demanding 'industry standard' or at least $360,000 a year

The two also dispute what are basic facts of their case - despite Snopes.com saying its 'ownership' is committed to 'accuracy and impartiality'
Snopes.com founder David Mikkelson's new wife Elyssa Young is employed by the website as an administrator
She has worked as an escort and porn actress and despite claims website is non-political ran as a Libertarian for Congress on a 'Dump Bush' platform
Its main 'fact checker' is Kimberly LaCapria, whose blog 'ViceVixen' says she is in touch with her 'domme side' and has posted on Snopes.com while smoking pot"


Maybe you should take some info with grain of salt? :roll: You know, its sad when Facebook is fact checking other smokey websites.... :lol:

How about watching the videos of all these doctors who are getting taken down youtube and facebook the next day, because their studies and valid research doesn't go with WHO and Gates agenda?
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The internet helped elect the dumbest, most ethically and morally depraved US President in history, and now with Covid 19 it might kill millions. It is the information equivalent of drinking bleach.

Try this instead, watch and/or read large accredited news outlets to see what real health organizations and authorities are recommending. Do not drink bleach.

Or, continue taking seriously internet morons who say things like this is nothing worse than the flu or that sacrificing family members is an acceptable loss for getting your job back a little earlier.
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Rockie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:04 am The internet helped elect the dumbest, most ethically and morally corrupt US President in history, and now with Covid 19 it might kill millions. It is the information equivalent of drinking bleach.
He actually suggested/mused about ingesting disinfectants in one of his addresses in a bid to kill the virus, because you know, it kills the virus on the outside, why wouldn't it work on the inside...that and something about sunlight. He probably heard about UVC light disinfection and associated that with sunlight killing the virus.

Obviously through lots of back tracking and denials it didn't happen and people dying because of it is not his fault, but I digress.
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Why is this thread still on the Air Canada forum and not in the General Forum ?
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I there anything scarier then laid off pilots watching CNN and reviewing science documents in an effort to predict the future?

Speaking of Mainstream news. Is Kim Jong, Dead, Alive, a vegetable, on vacation, or self isolating.

Never, ever watch mainstream news. Its not news its a 24 hours a day of entertainment and opinion piece garbage. Did the disappearance of the Malaysian Airlines plane teach us nothing? 24 hours a day for months they spent coming up with every imaginable insane theory.
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Rockie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:04 am Or, continue taking seriously internet morons who say things like this is nothing worse than the flu or that sacrificing family members is an acceptable loss for getting your job back a little earlier.
The internet morons are the ones who will turn society into a near Venezuela equivalent and think that we did a good job. Instead, the economy is opening up. People will die on the roads in car accidents, work accidents, and of disease. It is a sacrifice that has killed millions in the past and was accepted. Now, despite intelligent mitigating options, it is not acceptable to some. A little earlier is not the option offered by the keep it closed group. NEVER is what they are willing to do.

Watch the same people start top say that airlines and other carbon producing items must remain at a standstill. Makes one wonder. AOC just the other day tweeted joyfully how oil futures were below zero. They love it. Now is their chance of a lifetime.

As for morally depraved presidents, I think of Bill Clinton. Funny...his wife just endorsed Biden, now accused of sexual assault with Hillary(who claimed that Kavanaugh's accusers must be heard) ignoring the Biden accuser and endorsing Joe. We need no lessons of morals from those that claim the moral high ground. It is all just fake pretend to get in power. They know and it is time you know it.
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phillyfan wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:07 am Speaking of Mainstream news. Is Kim Jong, Dead, Alive, a vegetable, on vacation, or self isolating.

Never, ever watch mainstream news. Its not news its a 24 hours a day of entertainment and opinion piece garbage. Did the disappearance of the Malaysian Airlines plane teach us nothing? 24 hours a day for months they spent coming up with every imaginable insane theory.
We will figure out the status of Mr. Kim eventually when a death is announced or he shows up again. He has disappeared for longer than this previously. Based on his health, it would be no surprise to isolate, just like the leader of Iran.
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pelmet wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:57 am A little earlier is not the option offered by the keep it closed group. NEVER is what they are willing to do.
Does "testing and tracing" mean "never" to you Pelmet? Learn to read FFS.

This is precisely the reason I came out of "retirement" so to speak and post on this one thread. This virus is the most existential threat from a health and economic standpoint this world has faced in 100 years. We simply cannot let crass stupidity drive the response like it has in so many areas in the last 20 years or so. I post as a counterpoint to delusional basement dwellers of all kinds whose lack of critical thinking skill has been making life for everyone worse because of their profound ignorance and unthinking bias.

I will be grateful, as I'm sure many of you will be including Pelmet, when this is over and I can leave you to argue pointlessly over inconsequential things. In the meantime getting through this with minimal casualties and minimal economic damage is simple. Listen to what public health officials need to allow us to open up safely and get it for them as quickly as possible.
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pelmet wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:57 am
Rockie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:04 am Or, continue taking seriously internet morons who say things like this is nothing worse than the flu or that sacrificing family members is an acceptable loss for getting your job back a little earlier.
The internet morons are the ones who will turn society into a near Venezuela equivalent and think that we did a good job. Instead, the economy is opening up. People will die on the roads in car accidents, work accidents, and of disease. It is a sacrifice that has killed millions in the past and was accepted. Now, despite intelligent mitigating options, it is not acceptable to some. A little earlier is not the option offered by the keep it closed group. NEVER is what they are willing to do.

Watch the same people start top say that airlines and other carbon producing items must remain at a standstill. Makes one wonder. AOC just the other day tweeted joyfully how oil futures were below zero. They love it. Now is their chance of a lifetime.

As for morally depraved presidents, I think of Bill Clinton. Funny...his wife just endorsed Biden, now accused of sexual assault with Hillary(who claimed that Kavanaugh's accusers must be heard) ignoring the Biden accuser and endorsing Joe. We need no lessons of morals from those that claim the moral high ground. It is all just fake pretend to get in power. They know and it is time you know it.
Pelmet, I picture you as the guy in the room who knows everything about everything but everyone in the room rolls their eyes when you start, you’ve been beaking off on this for weeks and now that the the curve is flattening, economies are starting to open.
It’s ridiculous that you think some how this makes you correct, for starters, they’ve all been saying if by doing this it introduces a second wave, it will shut down again as fast, at which point you’ll be back here saying the experts are wrong!
I have no idea what’s going to happen and I’m sure the actual experts also have some doubts because they are still finding new things about the virus as time goes on, stay healthy!
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mbav8r wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:05 am
pelmet wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 9:57 am
Rockie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:04 am Or, continue taking seriously internet morons who say things like this is nothing worse than the flu or that sacrificing family members is an acceptable loss for getting your job back a little earlier.
The internet morons are the ones who will turn society into a near Venezuela equivalent and think that we did a good job. Instead, the economy is opening up. People will die on the roads in car accidents, work accidents, and of disease. It is a sacrifice that has killed millions in the past and was accepted. Now, despite intelligent mitigating options, it is not acceptable to some. A little earlier is not the option offered by the keep it closed group. NEVER is what they are willing to do.

Watch the same people start top say that airlines and other carbon producing items must remain at a standstill. Makes one wonder. AOC just the other day tweeted joyfully how oil futures were below zero. They love it. Now is their chance of a lifetime.
…... now that the the curve is flattening, economies are starting to open.
It’s ridiculous that you think some how this makes you correct, for starters, they’ve all been saying if by doing this it introduces a second wave, it will shut down again as fast, at which point you’ll be back here saying the experts are wrong!
I have no idea what’s going to happen and I’m sure the actual experts also have some doubts because they are still finding new things about the virus as time goes on, stay healthy!
The second wave is inevitable. Like the first wave, most will have mild symptoms. But hopefully(assuming governments take proper mitigation procedures) the vulnerable will be locked down. There will be some deaths just like there will be some deaths from increased driving. But now, there are more ventilators and other items such as increased testing and the goal is to keep the wave flattened in a manner that is handled by the hospitals. Meanwhile, the complete economic destruction is avoided. Certain areas may get slowed down temporarily, but overall, I think that the economy will stay opened with a gradual increase perhaps with occasional blips that get a lot of news but other stuff will hum along in the background.

As for us as individuals....I read today that it was being recommended that Canadians eat more French fries...

https://nationalpost.com/life/food/cana ... f-covid-19

In fact, I plan on ordering much more restaurant food to help the restaurant owners survive. Grocery stores are making plenty of money. Aside from supporting Canadian owned retailers first, how about not just eating at home but after all safety considerations are made...lets help some of the businesses survive which could also help our farmers which helps the businesses that supply the farmers etc.

Regardless of our differences on this, it seems like a concept that makes sense.

And for clarity, no one I know is in the restaurant business.
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. As for us as individuals....I read today that it was being recommended that Canadians eat more French fries...
You gotta stop believing all the things you read.
The truth is, It is recommended that Canadians eat more poutine.
And my info is from that most trusted source: The government of Canada’s dairy supply management department.

Now, about this rather contagious little flu bug, I expect that a year from now, there will be no significant increase in deaths in Canada ( stats based on fiscal year). Of course auto accidents will have decreased (my opinion) while we are shut down.

Very infectious, but, other than the sick and elderly, it is not particularly dangerous. The damage the lockdown has done will be worse.

All this based on nothing other than my opinion,
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pelmet wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:35 am
In fact, I plan on ordering much more restaurant food to help the restaurant owners survive.
Grocery stores are making plenty of money. Aside from supporting Canadian owned retailers first, how about not just eating at home but after all safety considerations are made...lets help some of the businesses survive which could also help our farmers which helps the businesses that supply the farmers etc.

Regardless of our differences on this, it seems like a concept that makes sense.

And for clarity, no one I know is in the restaurant business.
In general pelmet, I agree with some of the things that you say and there’s a lot that I don’t. You do seem to have an annoying need to always be right and to have the last word.
But this particular quote of yours is 100%. It’s something that those with a little extra cash on hand can easily and safely do to help out our neighbours in a small way.
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rxl wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 6:34 pm
pelmet wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:35 am
In fact, I plan on ordering much more restaurant food to help the restaurant owners survive.
Grocery stores are making plenty of money. Aside from supporting Canadian owned retailers first, how about not just eating at home but after all safety considerations are made...lets help some of the businesses survive which could also help our farmers which helps the businesses that supply the farmers etc.

Regardless of our differences on this, it seems like a concept that makes sense.

And for clarity, no one I know is in the restaurant business.
In general pelmet, I agree with some of the things that you say and there’s a lot that I don’t. You do seem to have an annoying need to always be right and to have the last word.
But this particular quote of yours is 100%. It’s something that those with a little extra cash on hand can easily and safely do to help out our neighbours in a small way.
Thanks,

We can't always agree(even if I'm pretty much always right :rolleyes: ) but in the end while we argue, people are hurting. Business owners who provide jobs to workers.

Those who can really should start spending some money on Canadian stuff instead of importing things on Amazon. Our spending is what keeps the economy going. Perhaps those with a little more can try to make up for those who recently have ended up with less by spending more. A significant amount overall when added up may help those with a little less.
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There is a very interesting debate going on at the CDC about the R0 values for Covid.
Not the first time the WHO was asleep at the switch .

Anyhoo, the R naughts are the important numbers to watch. Right now they are more important than seniority numbers .
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2R wrote: Sat May 02, 2020 9:08 am Not the first time the WHO was asleep at the switch .
The WHO is a United Nations organization making it only as effective as the member nations insist on it being and are willing to pay for (looking at you again America). When the after action report is written on this any deficiencies on its part are up to every country to fix.
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I doubt there will any fixes , cause you cannot fix stupid :)
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Rockie wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 2:04 am The internet helped elect the dumbest, most ethically and morally depraved US President in history, and now with Covid 19 it might kill millions. It is the information equivalent of drinking bleach.

Try this instead, watch and/or read large accredited news outlets to see what real health organizations and authorities are recommending. Do not drink bleach.

Or, continue taking seriously internet morons who say things like this is nothing worse than the flu or that sacrificing family members is an acceptable loss for getting your job back a little earlier.
Rockie, you are a victim of Media manipulation. Your comments are that of a Liberal or Democratic puppet running scared by Media manipulated projections. This is the Trump quote that was misinterpreted. He never told anyone to inject or drink anything, as he was musing "like Donald does" in laymens terms on how to defeat a current infection. His musing wasn't any dumber than the average laymen, the problem was that he did it out loud..

"So I asked Bill a question some of you are thinking of if you're into that world, which I find to be pretty interesting. So, supposing we hit the body with a tremendous, whether its ultraviolet or just very powerful light, and I think you said, that hasn't been checked but you're gonna test it. And then I said, supposing it brought the light inside the body, which you can either do either through the skin or some other way, and I think you said you're gonna test that too, sounds interesting. And I then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in one minute, and is there a way you can do something like that by injection inside, or almost a cleaning. Because you see it gets in the lungs, and it does a tremendous number on the lungs. So it'd be interesting to check that. So you're going to have to use medical doctors, but it sounds interesting to me, so we'll see. But the whole concept of the light, the way it goes in one minute, that's pretty powerful."

Trump.

I'm still waiting for statistically significant mortality data so I can apologize to you personally. Currently we're at one death in 10,000 in Canada, and that one person was likely over 65 and had only a couple of years left to live due to underlying medical conditions. I've decided not to hold my breath.
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