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JoeyBarton wrote: Mon Apr 20, 2020 3:12 pmNo news?
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The posted schedule is just wishful thinking imho.

A lot of the countries listed are not allowing anyone in who is not a citizen.

Some countries are also enforcing mandatory 14 day quarantine as a condition of entry.

The above measures make most trips unviable unless a person is going one way.
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Eric Janson wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:21 am The posted schedule is just wishful thinking imho.

A lot of the countries listed are not allowing anyone in who is not a citizen.

Some countries are also enforcing mandatory 14 day quarantine as a condition of entry.

The above measures make most trips unviable unless a person is going one way.
Keep in mind that is June, almost six weeks from now.
Many countries starting to lift some restrictions with regard to lockdown, looking at carrying on with the new normal life until a vaccine is ready.
Of course it’s wishful thinking but I don’t mind having a bit of optimism in a bleak world.
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mbav8r wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:15 am
Eric Janson wrote: Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:21 am The posted schedule is just wishful thinking imho.

A lot of the countries listed are not allowing anyone in who is not a citizen.

Some countries are also enforcing mandatory 14 day quarantine as a condition of entry.

The above measures make most trips unviable unless a person is going one way.
Keep in mind that is June, almost six weeks from now.
Many countries starting to lift some restrictions with regard to lockdown, looking at carrying on with the new normal life until a vaccine is ready.
Of course it’s wishful thinking but I don’t mind having a bit of optimism in a bleak world.
A bit of optimism is fine - as long is it is balanced with some realism imho.

Lifting of restrictions refer to things within the country - not borders and/or entry requirements. I expect only minimal international travel for the rest of this year.

Air travel was how this spread globally in the first place. The WHO didn't want flights stopped.

A number of countries have had a jump in reported cases when they relaxed their restrictions - difficult decision either way.
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FL320 wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:44 am
mbav8r wrote: Thu Apr 16, 2020 5:38 am Hey guys,
Did the position bid come out?
How bad was it?
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The CEWS bought the airline time, the surplus pilots that will be shown on the bid don't cost anything until the government stops picking up the tab. The longer they wait the better economic picture they will have.
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Every day of delay bleeds more cash....the delay imho doesn’t mean good news.
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The delayed bid doesn’t burn cash. It has just been pushed back to as late as possible to meet notification requirements for lay-off, and the end of CEWS.

IOW the delay is only in knowing the lay-off numbers. Not in the actual lay-off time line.

An extra month gives better visibility. CEWS might get extended. Who knows.
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Fanblade wrote: Thu Apr 23, 2020 6:28 am The delayed bid doesn’t burn cash. It has just been pushed back to as late as possible to meet notification requirements for lay-off, and the end of CEWS.

IOW the delay is only in knowing the lay-off numbers. Not in the actual lay-off time line.

An extra month gives better visibility. CEWS might get extended. Who knows.
All true but CEWS does not affect staffing. The commercial plan affects staffing.

Most North American network carriers are reassessing fleet and capacity with a long view to summer 2021. Every single US carrier says they will have significantly lower capacity than was present in summer 2019, previous peak capacity. The US carriers have the benefit of a massive payroll protection program courtesy of Uncle Sam that both allows and requires employee retention/no involuntary layoff prior to 01 Oct. The legacy carriers will use that time to set 2021 capacity, recalibrate fleet, run pilot equipment bids, and implement the required training plan. Almost all of that training will be effectively paid for by the PPP while flight operations are running at 20-50% of normal volume. Resulting pilot surpluses will result in layoffs effective Oct 01st.

Meanwhile in Canada, CEWS does not replicate PPP. Work sharing is required to avoid or reduce surplus. When work sharing ends, all previously identified surplus pilots will be furloughed. It is a certainty that both AC and WJ are in the process of evaluating 2021. 2020 is a write off but no large carrier sets staffing based on 6 months in to the future. More likely that delay in starting the reduction process at AC has to do with decisions being made in the commercial department that affect fleet or fleet utilization levels in 2021.
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Exactly. Delaying the bid delays taking care of increasing surplus which in turn burns more cash.
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Some first hand information.

Frankfurt is the busiest European Airport I've seen so far. Limited number of flights are operating and it's the closest thing to a Hub right now.

All shops/restaurants closed except for a couple of shops selling drinks/snacks/sweets.

My Air Canada flight had about 40 passengers on it (787).

Not sure how long flights will continue like this.
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I heard on the radio something about Air Canada laying off 6000 workers in June. Didn’t mention what kinds of employees though.
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Inverted2 wrote: Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:45 pm I heard on the radio something about Air Canada laying off 6000 workers in June. Didn’t mention what kinds of employees though.
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Different airline. Different country. But a large global network airline.

UAL just issued a displacement bid showing 4525 surplus pilots (out of 13000).
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DAL just published their reduction bid results.

2327 pilots with no position assignment (surplus/potential layoff). Most senior surplus pilot DEC 2016 DOH.

Junior NB CA DOH 2001/2007 (depending on whether former NW or DL).
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How many layoff notices went out late last week?
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162 out of 4499#. These layoffs were supposed to happen before the 1st cews announcement. It was then delayed until June 30 th due to that. 30 days prior notice so the 162 most juniors got the call yesterday.
Up to max 600 layoffs until Sep 30th.
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JoeyBarton wrote: Tue Jun 02, 2020 6:30 am 162 out of 4499#. These layoffs were supposed to happen before the 1st cews announcement. It was then delayed until June 30 th due to that. 30 days prior notice so the 162 most juniors got the call yesterday.
Up to max 600 layoffs until Sep 30th.
That's it based on the business drop? Not that I want more.....
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Up to 600 more to come anytime now... these 600 pilots are on a surplus list, meaning they dont have an assigned seat
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