It seems really easy to get on your nerves It's like I have my own little fan clubaltiplano wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:21 pmThat guy...
He was asking how to plan a cross country flight only a couple months back.
No credibility as far as working in this business, or managing a career in it, let alone at an airline level, is concerned.
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Is the 4 year flat pay worth it?
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Mr 250 I wasn't talking to you, it's nice having my own stalker though!dialdriver wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:20 pmMy explanation is 250 hrs long...vermont wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:17 pmIf you can't explain why I'm wrong, you just end up sounding like more of an ass than I doshimmydampner wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:34 pm Don't discourage his fresh-out-of-flight school insights. They're so valuable. As he pointed out, he's so very wise.
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It must be tough to realize that you aren't going to be successful. Better go have a good cry about it and then cut your losses...vermont wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:38 pmIt seems really easy to get on your nerves It's like I have my own little fan clubaltiplano wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:21 pmThat guy...
He was asking how to plan a cross country flight only a couple months back.
No credibility as far as working in this business, or managing a career in it, let alone at an airline level, is concerned.
Here you go Vermont:
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ouch...vermont wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:38 pmMr 250 I wasn't talking to you, it's nice having my own stalker though!
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Regardless, Air Canada flat pay and benefits are better than instructing
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100 percent agreed! I wonder is instructing equally bad everywhere?
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Successful enough to have my own group of stalkersaltiplano wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 5:13 pmIt must be tough to realize that you aren't going to be successful. Better go have a good cry about it and then cut your losses...vermont wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:38 pmIt seems really easy to get on your nerves It's like I have my own little fan clubaltiplano wrote: ↑Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:21 pm
That guy...
He was asking how to plan a cross country flight only a couple months back.
No credibility as far as working in this business, or managing a career in it, let alone at an airline level, is concerned.
Here you go Vermont:
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Come on back when you grow some hair on your pussy.
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Well at least the first 4 posts were helpful
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This right here is what is wrong with the aviation pay system. Work like a dog...had it rough...but hell i got the WATCH!
How about you just say, NO.
Please, when companies come grovelling looking for pilots...don't fly jumpers for free.
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To be honest, you'll need a bit of time prior to even applying to Jazz (they're hiring around 800-1500TT + Multi), and then if you're successful at Jazz there are 600+ pilots at Jazz waiting to go to AC who are by seniority going to go first. So best case scenario (including Covid-19) you're 4-6 years away from going to AC even if you're successful at the AC interview. So my suggestion is make AC the goal which is great, but don't worry about AC too much yet. You've got to do some time building, then give it a crack at Jazz and see what happens. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Good luck, just focus on getting a good job right now that will gain you some valuable experience to make your resume attractive to Jazz.
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Ya im instructing and teaching single IFR currently at 18. I want to go to Jazz with a signed off ATPL. Probably go fly a King Air sometime in the next 15 months to get some high performance multi. I gotta wait till 21 for the ATPL so to some extent I just gotta wait lol.KenoraPilot wrote: ↑Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:24 amTo be honest, you'll need a bit of time prior to even applying to Jazz (they're hiring around 800-1500TT + Multi), and then if you're successful at Jazz there are 600+ pilots at Jazz waiting to go to AC who are by seniority going to go first. So best case scenario (including Covid-19) you're 4-6 years away from going to AC even if you're successful at the AC interview. So my suggestion is make AC the goal which is great, but don't worry about AC too much yet. You've got to do some time building, then give it a crack at Jazz and see what happens. Hope for the best but plan for the worst.
Good luck, just focus on getting a good job right now that will gain you some valuable experience to make your resume attractive to Jazz.
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Well hopefully for all of us you won't be fighting 10,000 hour pilots for that King Air job...what's your education back-up?Probably go fly a King Air sometime in the next 15 months to get some high performance multi.
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Business and a few side things that could become profitable. I have a few connections I could use in the industry when the time comes for me. However there not my ideal pilot job. I love aviation so a pandemic that will go away within 12-18 months when they get a vaccine isnt going to stop me. Especially at my age. Probably even sooner things will resemble normal ish cause nobody can afford this.
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Newbie here...what’s 4 year flat pay? I’m just about to finish my pstar, getting my ppl and then going away to an academy for a degree in business and my cpl and all other necessary endorsements. Happy flying!
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Basically a 4 year Fixed Salary at a fixed amount of "hours". Work more get paid more. Work less get paid same flat salary.PilotTaylor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:58 pm Newbie here...what’s 4 year flat pay? I’m just about to finish my pstar, getting my ppl and then going away to an academy for a degree in business and my cpl and all other necessary endorsements. Happy flying!
After the 4 years, you go to a formula based pay system. Higher base pay/"hour" (Day/Night pay rates too).
Work more... get more.
Work less... get less.
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It is Air Canada’s pay structure for the first four years of employment as a pilot. It has changed a bit over the years, most recently extending from 2 years to four years, but “flat” is a bit of a misnomer. Once upon a time it was accurate, as junior pilots received a flat salary that did not vary regardless of how many or how few hours you flew. In its present form, it is supposed to be a set amount for up to 75 hours per month, then an hourly rate thereafter... that hourly rate just happens to be 1/75th of the fixed amount. This effective hourly rate is considerably lower than pilots in year 5 or after receive, and also does not qualify for certain other additions that more senior pilots receive (overseas/nav pay).PilotTaylor wrote: ↑Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:58 pm Newbie here...what’s 4 year flat pay? I’m just about to finish my pstar, getting my ppl and then going away to an academy for a degree in business and my cpl and all other necessary endorsements. Happy flying!
So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.
Good luck in your career!
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After Covid you can expect to work a lot more for a lot less knowing that the long term salary potential will only be a dream.So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.
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So much wrong with this statement.FL320 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:04 amAfter Covid you can expect to work a lot more for a lot less knowing that the long term salary potential will only be a dream.So by most measures, the junior pilots at Air Canada are working for a deeply discounted salary; many take significant pay cuts to leave a senior position at a smaller company to come to Air Canada, knowing that the long term salary potential is much greater, but it means a few lean years.
Work more..unable due new regs.
Paid less...unable...just proven essential service to repatriate citizens.
Teterboro...unable.
But I digress, you'll fly jumpers for free after AC pays $40mil to back out of the TS deal.
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Or I could fly for free for AC, I have all the requirements for the job-type rated and current- the company might be interested in reducing its costs?But I digress, you'll fly jumpers for free after AC pays $40mil to back out of the TS deal.