Incorrect. Got my medical exemption last week.rudder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:47 pmIf unvaccinated, you won’t be at work after Oct 31.ikarus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:41 pm What you people don't get is that I really don't care if you are pro vaccine or not, if you use ivermectin or hydroclorcin or herbs or weed or whatever you want... But stop mandating shit that affects my families lives. If I'm healthy and your vaxxed, you have nothing to worry about. If I'm not feeling well, I will book off and you're still safe. It's that simple.
Thankfully, this is non-negotiable.
Take the vaccine, or lose your job - WTF?
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What company? Cause if you work at AC, a medical exemption won't keep you in the flight deck.Bil Derberg wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:09 pmIncorrect. Got my medical exemption last week.rudder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:47 pmIf unvaccinated, you won’t be at work after Oct 31.ikarus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:41 pm What you people don't get is that I really don't care if you are pro vaccine or not, if you use ivermectin or hydroclorcin or herbs or weed or whatever you want... But stop mandating shit that affects my families lives. If I'm healthy and your vaxxed, you have nothing to worry about. If I'm not feeling well, I will book off and you're still safe. It's that simple.
Thankfully, this is non-negotiable.
Reasonable accommodation doesn't mean you get to keep flying. It means you won't get fired, but enjoy your new WFH job as a call center employee for $45k a year.
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You don't know that.
Reasonable accommodation does not mean unpaid LOA or constructive dismissal. Particularly for an employee group that has virtually no public contact.
Reasonable accommodation does not mean unpaid LOA or constructive dismissal. Particularly for an employee group that has virtually no public contact.
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Based on the information I've been told, you won't be in a flight deck. China and Australia don't care about your medical exemption. You think the company is going to let you pull a block out of seniority to places that don't require vaccinated pilots? I can't see that happening.
It's coming. AC is just getting ready. Very soon the USA is implementing vaccine requirements to fly into the country. And of you read the language, there's oddly no exemption for flight crews.
You do you, but don't come crying to AvCanada when you get pulled off the line and go on unpaid LOA.
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loudmouth wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:31 pmWhat company? Cause if you work at AC, a medical exemption won't keep you in the flight deck.
Reasonable accommodation doesn't mean you get to keep flying. It means you won't get fired, but enjoy your new WFH job as a call center employee for $45k a year.
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According to several pilot unions and the legal teams hired to draft a report on the legality of the mandate, reasonable accommodation will not prevent you from getting a pink slip if it causes undue hardship on the employer.
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I included the qualifier ‘thankfully’ to soften the blow.cdnavater wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 2:44 pmJust like to point out, you did take a position on this.rudder wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:47 pmIf unvaccinated, you won’t be at work after Oct 31.ikarus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:41 pm What you people don't get is that I really don't care if you are pro vaccine or not, if you use ivermectin or hydroclorcin or herbs or weed or whatever you want... But stop mandating shit that affects my families lives. If I'm healthy and your vaxxed, you have nothing to worry about. If I'm not feeling well, I will book off and you're still safe. It's that simple.
Thankfully, this is non-negotiable.
I have seen nothing in any employer correspondence that indicates this policy is negotiable. Barring legal intervention, it would appear that the proposed policy will be implemented as written.
This is happening across several workplaces. Aviation does not exist in a vacuum.
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altiplano.
That may be true in some workplaces, within reason. Can’t load bags because of a chronic bad back? You can drive a vehicle on the ramp instead.
This is very different animal, with very high stakes for you as you test your legal expertise. The word from AC management is this: a six month, unpaid administrative leave (no benefits or service accrual whatsoever) to those who are not compliant with the vaccine policy. Starting next month. I’m not a lawyer, but the half-dozen legal opinions I’ve seen all say the same thing, that this policy will stand if challenged in court.
This is the initial step to hopefully allow you the necessary time to take stock, and comply. Six months from now we’ll be spooling up for the summer season, and the Company is putting a strong emphasis on reassuring travellers that when they board a flight, all crew members will be fully vaccinated. We’ll see what the employer does in six months. I don’t expect these leaves to be granted indefinitely.
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You can be infected before you have symptoms or remain asymptomatic.ikarus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:41 pm What you people don't get is that I really don't care if you are pro vaccine or not, if you use ivermectin or hydroclorcin or herbs or weed or whatever you want... But stop mandating shit that affects my families lives. If I'm healthy and your vaxxed, you have nothing to worry about. If I'm not feeling well, I will book off and you're still safe. It's that simple.
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This is exactly it. This is why sometimes I call in sick for work. They ask me what are my symptoms and I tell them I think I have covid. They are like “oh what symptoms do you have” and I let them know I’m asymptomatic, one of the most prominent symptoms of covid.dialdriver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:57 amYou can be infected before you have symptoms or remain asymptomatic.ikarus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:41 pm What you people don't get is that I really don't care if you are pro vaccine or not, if you use ivermectin or hydroclorcin or herbs or weed or whatever you want... But stop mandating shit that affects my families lives. If I'm healthy and your vaxxed, you have nothing to worry about. If I'm not feeling well, I will book off and you're still safe. It's that simple.
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Straight from the expert...dialdriver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:57 amYou can be infected before you have symptoms or remain asymptomatic.ikarus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:41 pm What you people don't get is that I really don't care if you are pro vaccine or not, if you use ivermectin or hydroclorcin or herbs or weed or whatever you want... But stop mandating shit that affects my families lives. If I'm healthy and your vaxxed, you have nothing to worry about. If I'm not feeling well, I will book off and you're still safe. It's that simple.
https://youtu.be/TDFsWybjkmg
Again, for over 18 months you were ok sitting next to me, suddenly you're worried I'm not vaxxed. Meanwhile, vaxxed people can also spread it to others as well. And its all documented and we all know this.
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Dr Fauci does not say you can't transmit the virus if you are asymptomatic.ikarus wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:29 amStraight from the expert...dialdriver wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:57 amYou can be infected before you have symptoms or remain asymptomatic.ikarus wrote: ↑Wed Sep 22, 2021 1:41 pm What you people don't get is that I really don't care if you are pro vaccine or not, if you use ivermectin or hydroclorcin or herbs or weed or whatever you want... But stop mandating shit that affects my families lives. If I'm healthy and your vaxxed, you have nothing to worry about. If I'm not feeling well, I will book off and you're still safe. It's that simple.
https://youtu.be/TDFsWybjkmg
Again, for over 18 months you were ok sitting next to me, suddenly you're worried I'm not vaxxed. Meanwhile, vaxxed people can also spread it to others as well. And its all documented and we all know this.
Also this:
"What Is the Incubation Period for the New Coronavirus?
According to the CDC, the incubation period for COVID-19 is thought to extend to 14 days..On average, symptoms show up in the newly infected person about 5 days after contact. Rarely, symptoms appear as soon as 2 days after exposure. One study reported that 97.5% of people who became infected and have symptoms will do so within 11.5 days of SARS-CoV-2 infection. In rare cases, symptoms can show up after 14 days. Researchers think this happens with about 1 out of every 100 people".
https://www.webmd.com/lung/coronavirus- ... ion-period
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This is pointless... I'm done.
Enjoy your freedom like Australians do!
Enjoy your freedom like Australians do!
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What legal opinions are those? I've only seen the one CUPE published and it was related to a government mandate, not an employer mandate.a220hereicome wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:32 amI’m not a lawyer, but the half-dozen legal opinions I’ve seen all say the same thing, that this policy will stand if challenged in court.
ACPA's standing legal opinion seems to always be that we'll lose whatever we do...
Election is done and we haven't heard anything from Trudeau on a federal mandate yet. I guess we'll see if he had the balls to do it.
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Your outlook on the vaccine, the mandate, and the election are all flawed.altiplano wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:33 pmWhat legal opinions are those? I've only seen the one CUPE published and it was related to a government mandate, not an employer mandate.a220hereicome wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:32 amI’m not a lawyer, but the half-dozen legal opinions I’ve seen all say the same thing, that this policy will stand if challenged in court.
ACPA's standing legal opinion seems to always be that we'll lose whatever we do...
Election is done and we haven't heard anything from Trudeau on a federal mandate yet. I guess we'll see if he had the balls to do it.
Yes, voting day has come and past, but the election is not over. Votes are still being counted and we still only have a caretaker government that is run by the same people who were in power last week.
Please, take some time away from AvCanada to do some research on the world around you.
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What?imjustlurking wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 2:36 pmYour outlook on the vaccine, the mandate, and the election are all flawed.altiplano wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 12:33 pmWhat legal opinions are those? I've only seen the one CUPE published and it was related to a government mandate, not an employer mandate.a220hereicome wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 5:32 am I’m not a lawyer, but the half-dozen legal opinions I’ve seen all say the same thing, that this policy will stand if challenged in court.
ACPA's standing legal opinion seems to always be that we'll lose whatever we do...
Election is done and we haven't heard anything from Trudeau on a federal mandate yet. I guess we'll see if he had the balls to do it.
Yes, voting day has come and past, but the election is not over. Votes are still being counted and we still only have a caretaker government that is run by the same people who were in power last week.
Please, take some time away from AvCanada to do some research on the world around you.
The election wasn't on Monday?
The winner isn't already called?
Trudeau didn't propose and campaign on a vaccine mandate for federal employees to be implemented by end of October?
It's not a non-sterilizing MRNA vaccine?
Grow up.
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Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.
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Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” – Winston ChurchillTbayer2021 wrote: ↑Thu Sep 23, 2021 4:59 pm Arguing with a pilot is like wrestling with a pig in the mud, after a while you begin to think the pig likes it.