Air Canada's Embraer ERJ-175
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Air Canada's Embraer ERJ-175
Can't believe no one has mentioned this yet. But Air Canada's first Embraer ERJ-175 arrived yesterday morning.
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Nice airplane. Only 73 seat though. Thats 2 less than the Jazz 705s. As much as I'd love to fly it I gotta ask...
Why is Canada's flagship carrier not supporting the Canadian aviation industry and buying Canadian built hulls with the same capacity? I'm pretty sure we'll never see Varig operate CRJs.
Why is Canada's flagship carrier not supporting the Canadian aviation industry and buying Canadian built hulls with the same capacity? I'm pretty sure we'll never see Varig operate CRJs.
Aren't they? I thought that there were more RJs coming, too.Gurundu the Rat wrote:Why is Canada's flagship carrier not supporting the Canadian aviation industry and buying Canadian built hulls with the same capacity?
And that said... a company has a responsibility to make money and stay alive... not to help keep other companies of the same nationality alive. It'd be nice to see, but they have to pick the a/c types that they believe will work best for them.
Correct, our AeroCourse instructor mentioned that when AirCanada was buying local they were paying 10 million more(per jet) then the competition.
And that said... a company has a responsibility to make money and stay alive... not to help keep other companies of the same nationality alive. It'd be nice to see, but they have to pick the a/c types that they believe will work best for them.
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cyyz wrote:...when AirCanada was buying local they were paying 10 million more(per jet) then the competition.
How much is an RJ? I thought I heard once that a 320 was around $30 million... I'd have thought an RJ would be maybe half to two thirds that, and nowhere near a sticker price that could reasonably be jacked +$10 mil.
I say again...
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My other comments aside, as they are just my opinion. When Air Canada went shopping they narrowed the decision to the RJ, Embraer, A318 and Boeing 717.
Then they invited a group of super elite customers to a day at the hangar in YUL. Each customer had an opportunity to look in and sit in each aircraft and make comments. Their input aided in the decision making process.
The RJ scored very low but the company put in a token order anyway to appease the government.
Then they invited a group of super elite customers to a day at the hangar in YUL. Each customer had an opportunity to look in and sit in each aircraft and make comments. Their input aided in the decision making process.
The RJ scored very low but the company put in a token order anyway to appease the government.
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Because the export development bank cannot offer the same terms to canadians as they can to outside airlines. when your paying off a billion dollar order prime -.5 is better than prime +1Gurundu the Rat wrote:Nice airplane. Only 73 seat though. Thats 2 less than the Jazz 705s. As much as I'd love to fly it I gotta ask...
Why is Canada's flagship carrier not supporting the Canadian aviation industry and buying Canadian built hulls with the same capacity? I'm pretty sure we'll never see Varig operate CRJs.
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My understanding was that there was also the benefit of shorter delivery times with the 705s. It also wouldn't have been smart to increase the fleet types at Jazz by 50%.Jaques Strappe wrote:The RJ scored very low but the company put in a token order anyway to appease the government.
Do you have any specific reasons the 705s are bad other than disliking plugs? I realize they are less comfortable for pax than the 175, but they are different generation a/c, there's bound to be improvements.
The benefits of buying an older generation are lower acquisition costs (EDC, BDNES financing aside), proven platform, common type ratings, parts, servicing etc with exisiting fleet, large support network, not being the lead/early customer on a new type and so on.
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No i don't have any particulars and really, I know little about the 705. It looks much more substantial than the 100/200duplicate2 wrote:My understanding was that there was also the benefit of shorter delivery times with the 705s. It also wouldn't have been smart to increase the fleet types at Jazz by 50%.Jaques Strappe wrote:The RJ scored very low but the company put in a token order anyway to appease the government.
Do you have any specific reasons the 705s are bad other than disliking plugs? I realize they are less comfortable for pax than the 175, but they are different generation a/c, there's bound to be improvements.
The benefits of buying an older generation are lower acquisition costs (EDC, BDNES financing aside), proven platform, common type ratings, parts, servicing etc with exisiting fleet, large support network, not being the lead/early customer on a new type and so on.
I do know that Bombardier did very well when a 50 seat jet was needed by the industry, yet they did do this by extending an existing airframe. They missed the boat however when the demand for more seats came along, hence their need now for money to develope a new airframe.
Hmm I attended the Montreal road show of the new aircraft that AC was considering buying a while back. Unfortunately IMHO the Bombardier selection just didn’t make the grade when compared to the Jungle Jet but that judgment was based on look, feel and didn’t take in to account any of the statistical information. I observed RM walking around the various aircraft and he didn’t spend much time inspecting the RJ’s so it wasn't much of a surprise that Bombardier only got a token order. But hey the original design was a business jet which they tried to turn into a airliner hence all the problems.
Jaques you’re checked out on the E175 how does it fly?
Jaques you’re checked out on the E175 how does it fly?