Overseas Contract Information Seminar

['97 Tercel]

"and as soon as your country cancels the foreign ownership tax on property in Vancouver we will open hiring again."

[Ancient]

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[justwork]

This from WASINC.....

"We have an issue with regard to Canadian passport holders.

ICAO and CAAC have temporarily placed Canada on a list of countries having safety concerns. 

As a result, the CAAC will not accept pilots who hold Canadian passports. 

Canadian ATP licenses are still accepted.  

Anyone holding only a Canadian passport will not be approved.

I will advise if/when the situation changes, we do not know how long this restriction will last......"

This is when you contact a different agency. The CAAC only requires a more "in depth background check" what that means I don't know. The caac knows and they do the work. If you're being told they don't accept Canadian passports at this time it's either because the airline thinks the background check will take to long and is hoping for a speedy process OR the agency is lazy. I spoke with the foreign flight department at my airline a couple days ago (CAAC SOUTH) and this is what I was told. We actually have a couple Canadians here now doing their simulator assessment, which the airline would never do if they couldn't hire them immediately.

[justwork]

"and as soon as your country cancels the foreign ownership tax on property in Vancouver we will open hiring again."

The rumours I've heard is that this is directly related to the large influx of refugees into Canada, which somehow means all Canadians are a higher security risk... Again this is strictly a rumour and I have not heard this from my office directly but from other sources. If you want answers maybe trying writing JT, I'm sure the PM office will get back to you... Actually you never know, I've written a few letters and have always got a well thought out response that in no way addressed the issue I wrote about.

Good Luck!

[justwork]

Spoke with a recruiter at OK airlines, still accepting Canadians and actively recruiting any type rated 737 captains. Send me a message and I can put you in direct touch with them.

[Ancient]

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[justwork]

"and as soon as your country cancels the foreign ownership tax on property in Vancouver we will open hiring again."

The Chinese government is likely in favour of this tax, as Chinese money leaving china is a problem right now.

[PROC_HDG]

becoming a defacto Islamic state

Were you dropped on the head as a child?

PROC_HDG

[BE20 Driver]

Any thoughts on good places to go? Ones to avoid?

I have heard Korea is an absolute nightmare. China is hit or miss. What about EVA Air, Vietnam etc?

[Eric Janson]

Any Expat job is a risk/reward trade off.

All jobs have their positives and negatives - the perfect job doesn't exist.

We're all different - what works for me may not work for you and vice versa.

Not everyone has what it takes to work in the Expat world - it does require a lot of flexibility. You need to be able to adapt to a different way of thinking and a different way of doing things that may not make any sense to you. The people that can't adapt don't last very long.

Example:- I worked in a culture where it was quite normal for people to lie to you. I knew they were lying and they knew that I knew - but it didn't bother them.

You have to be able to deal with things like that.

It helps if you've been to the region where you're thinking of working - you at least have a bit of an idea what to expect.

I've had my share of "What am I doing here?" days during my first few years in Asia.

In my 25 years as Expat I've been very fortunate to have been in the right place at the right time on a number of occasions and with one exception I have always been treated fairly.

The longest I have ever worked for one company is 8 years.

I know of a number of Expats who were given 30 days notice after working at a company for 20 years!

Finally I'd refer you to the bold statement in the second post on this thread.

[Donald]

Finally I'd refer you to the bold statement in the second post on this thread.

Sage advice, except there is no such thing as stability in aviation.

[BE20 Driver]

Eric

I have been lucky enough to have worked many jobs in the overseas world already. I have flown on four continents so far (North&South America, Africa and Asia if you're wondering). I know that it is a big world out there and that every country operates differently. I'm flexible enough to roll with it. Most of the work I have done is at the Commuter 704 and some Turboprop 705 world. Big airlines will be different than what I have done in the past.

Like all companies I have worked for, some were great and others not so much. The ones that were a PITA were mostly so disorganized and or short staffed that schedules went out the window the minute they were generated. I understand Korean doesn't know whether their pilots are coming or going. Other major airlines will likely have a culture of actively working to sabotage the career of a contract pilot because we are taking jobs away from locals. Other countries like Japan come to mind where contractors are generally accepted as the domestic pool of applicants isn't sufficient to staff the airline.

[Eric Janson]

Finally I'd refer you to the bold statement in the second post on this thread.

Sage advice, except there is no such thing as stability in aviation.

No argument there Donald.

Big airlines will be different than what I have done in the past.

You might be quite surprised! I sub contracted for Arik Air in Nigeria on and off for about 6 months.

You wouldn't believe the things going on there - the most dysfunctional Airline I've ever seen. A bush operation with jets.

They were looking for people recently but I wouldn't recommend it.

[OverseasContracts]

It has been confirmed that the CAAC is not accepting Canadian candidates at this time due to concerns with background security checks affecting the numerous contracts in all the regions we are promoting in China. Regrettably, we will be postponing the YYC information seminar until the restriction has been lifted. We hope that it is a short term restriction that will be quickly rescinded but it is ultimately up to the CAAC.

Thank you to everyone that PM'd their interest. I will advise when we can re-schedule the information seminar. We apologize for the inconvenience.

[Rudy]

This has been Lesson 1 of your Overseas Contracts training.

[justwork]

Again, there are still a lot of airlines accepting Canadian passport holding pilots in China. I've spoken with a few and all they say is that there is a more in depth security check that the caac needs to do. I don't know how they're doing this. Also the airline I work for just finished assessments on a couple Canadians and are expecting to hire more now and in the future. CAAC in china has different rules for different regions, this must be affecting some but not all regions.

[HansDietrich]

It's hard for me to understand why these recruiting companies are trying to come to Canada and recruit pilots. I went to an information session offered by an overseas airline. Anyway, the presenters were very nice. It almost seemed like they were selling timeshares in Central America. After everything was said and done, we asked them "What is your ideal candidate?". Their answer was "Ryanair F/O". So there you have it. EASA lincense, 737 type rating and the work ethic of a "starving dog". F/Os that have always been told to shut up and be happy they fly a jet.

Well, in our group only 3 guys (out of 20) had any type of jet time. We asked the guy "Why are you here? Do you think a Canadian pilot will give up his A320 or B737 job to go work for "Sand" Air? I doubt it. If I had an A320 job, I think I'd enjoy my life here in this wonderful country of ours and not get fooled by the $$$ and shiny metal, only to go there, find out that you have no rights, no say and work 22 days a month.

Like someone said. Be careful. Don't be fooled by the presentation. Ask people that actually work there. I have friends that fly overseas and some love it, some like, some don't know any better, some want to move away and some really really hate it. It all depends what your expectations are. Personally, I think people with families have no place working as an overseas pilot. They work you too much... money isn't always everything...

Just my two cents...

[justwork]

It's hard for me to understand why these recruiting companies are trying to come to Canada and recruit pilots. I went to an information session offered by an overseas airline. Anyway, the presenters were very nice. It almost seemed like they were selling timeshares in Central America. After everything was said and done, we asked them "What is your ideal candidate?". Their answer was "Ryanair F/O". So there you have it. EASA lincense, 737 type rating and the work ethic of a "starving dog". F/Os that have always been told to shut up and be happy they fly a jet.

Well, in our group only 3 guys (out of 20) had any type of jet time. We asked the guy "Why are you here? Do you think a Canadian pilot will give up his A320 or B737 job to go work for "Sand" Air? I doubt it. If I had an A320 job, I think I'd enjoy my life here in this wonderful country of ours and not get fooled by the $$$ and shiny metal, only to go there, find out that you have no rights, no say and work 22 days a month.

Like someone said. Be careful. Don't be fooled by the presentation. Ask people that actually work there. I have friends that fly overseas and some love it, some like, some don't know any better, some want to move away and some really really hate it. It all depends what your expectations are. Personally, I think people with families have no place working as an overseas pilot. They work you too much... money isn't always everything...

Just my two cents...

Like any job, do your due diligence before hand. A blanket statement like

I think people with families have no place working as an overseas pilot. They work you too much... money isn't always everything...

is silly. I have a family, 3 kids a wife and a dog. I work far less overseas than I ever have working in Canada. I'm home WAY more than anyone I know, and I take home triple the pay as other Canadians flying narrow body in Canada. Yes, money isn't everything, but not worrying about money goes a long way. Being home almost 6 months a year, that's pretty amazing. When I am in China I'm working 4 days a week, sometimes 3.

[CZBBYYZPilot]

This is just for mainland China, right? Hong Kong has it's own authority?

[complexintentions]

It's true, money isn't always everything.

Unless of course you want to obtain something that requires it lol. Like an education, a home, a retirement. Judging from the 2 trillion dollars of consumer debt in Canada (higher than GDP now, woohoo!), I'd say that real money is in pretty short supply for most people in this post-nationalist "wonderful country of ours".

A job needs to suit both one's circumstances and temperament. Just because one pays well doesn't make it a suitable job for someone. But meandering along on Canadian industry wages and then living on the highly-taxed leftovers in a high-cost country isn't for everyone either. It's a big old world. To each their own, I say.