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The pay is significantly higher than the Canadian average wage.So yes, let's all work for less so everyone can become a pilot. Wait. Haven't we gone down this road before and low and behold the young people are just not getting into this profession because the pay is low.
Are you saying you have no life working as a pilot?Now what? I will let you know as soon as I get a life.
As it should be. Do you consider yourself an average Canadian or an average pilot? What a dumb statement.
Lots of jobs carry massive responsibility and liability, pilots are probably top half but also doing a job that requires 12 - 18 months of education past high school soooooooooo. Great profession, deserve to be paid well, its a job of constant learning and testing so I am not putting it down, just saying the old “liability/responsibility” argument is ridiculous
Oh my, spoken like a true manager...The CEO would be proud.AvifiskAlly wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:12 amLots of jobs carry massive responsibility and liability, pilots are probably top half but also doing a job that requires 12 - 18 months of education past high school soooooooooo. Great profession, deserve to be paid well, its a job of constant learning and testing so I am not putting it down, just saying the old “liability/responsibility” argument is ridiculous
I never really thought much about it but now that you ask, yes I probably fit into the average Canadian description and my flying abilities might be above average if I base it on what I was paid to fly.As it should be. Do you consider yourself an average Canadian or an average pilot? What a dumb statement.
And the majority of pilots do not fly as a Captain on a heavy jet, pay is based on the revenue an airplane makes the more passengers the more revenue thus more money to pay the crew.The majority of Canadians don't assume hundreds of millions if not billions of dollars of liability every time they push the TOGA buttons.
This is a ridiculously stupid statement. Pilots are payed (or should be) based on the liability they assume. Revenue does not come into play. I pilot of a 777 assumes more liability than that of a Q400 ( which I fly). If the pilots on a 777 Fu#@ up, it could mean the write off of a 250 million dollar aircraft and the loss of 400 souls. My mistake, where as costly, clearly does not have the same impact.C.W.E. wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:08 am And the majority of pilots do not fly as a Captain on a heavy jet, pay is based on the revenue an airplane makes the more passengers the more revenue thus more money to pay the crew.
And speaking of how difficult they are to fly you don't find TOGA buttons in most airplanes.
You also said earlier that there were a lot of other professions where the liability undertaken is high... Please name one where a single mistake made in a split second can lead to the loss of 400 people and the write off of 250 million in equipment.
Actually I am a pilot and worked in the industry for over fifty years and yes I was in management for years.I am late to the party here, so if you are a pilot, then it is sad to see how you view your profession. If you are a manager or some other entity sitting on the sideline, then go crawl back under your rock until you have some idea of what you are talking about.
Hahahahaha...schooled by a Master!download/file.php?mode=view&id=13838C.W.E. wrote: ↑Fri Feb 23, 2018 11:41 amYou also said earlier that there were a lot of other professions where the liability undertaken is high... Please name one where a single mistake made in a split second can lead to the loss of 400 people and the write off of 250 million in equipment.
Well a large cruise ship comes to mind, they carry thousands of people.
Actually I am a pilot and worked in the industry for over fifty years and yes I was in management for years.I am late to the party here, so if you are a pilot, then it is sad to see how you view your profession. If you are a manager or some other entity sitting on the sideline, then go crawl back under your rock until you have some idea of what you are talking about.
And I also owned several of my own companies both fixed wing and rotary wing.
And I worked in government in a regulatory position.
You should work on your social interaction skills because I have as much right as you do to express my opinion without being told to crawl under a rock.
It is attitudes like yours that lead me to believe that being a pilot does not automatically mean you are something special.
I am finished with this now.
Not sure how you would consider that being school. His example was not a precise parallel. Even though bad decisions can result in the loss of life and damage to expensive equipment, 400 people don't tend to die in an instant. And even if you consider it to be a parallel, ship captains are well compensated.
https://www.thenational.ae/business/cru ... s-1.393000Cruise-line companies might be in dire financial straits but their captains are enjoying life on the ocean wave.
The average salary for a cruise-liner captain jumped 22.8 per cent last year to US$153,379, (Dh563,435) with wage rates for master mariners aboard less glamorous bulk carriers and container ships receiving a 16 per cent boost to $110,981.
Cruise-liner captains receive substantially more than the average airline pilot's annual salary in the UAE, which is currently $122,647.
Chief officers aboard cargo ships did even better than their captains in terms of pay rises, logging a 27.5 per cent increase to $82,737 a year.
"Even though the shipping industry is being buffeted by poor vessel earnings, rising costs and ever more stringent regulations, salaries continue to rise," said Mark Charman, the chief executive of the Faststream Recruitment Group, a specialist maritime recruiter based in the United Kingdom that provided the salary survey data.
"The sector suffers from a skill shortage and the pool of highly qualified people continues to shrink. This is both the legacy of a lack of training in the 1980s during the previous downturn and the often perceived low status of jobs in the shipping industry. Companies recognise that good people are not necessarily readily available and need to be retained and properly incentivised."
The survey, carried out last year, was based on the responses of 4,000 shipping professionals working in all the main shipping centres as well as seafaring officers worldwide. It showed the most pressing skills shortage was among second engineers with five years experience.
"It is those candidates in particular who are receiving the top salaries," the survey's authors said.
In other maritime sectors, the survey shows captains working in the offshore industry are also earning a healthy $128,247 on average, although their increase was a more modest 7 per cent last year.
Salaries for ocean-goers, however, do not compare to the specialist rates earned by some inshore marine pilots. On the Panama Canal, senior pilots can make up to $450,000 per year, including overtime, or working "voluntary shifts" above the normal schedule of five weeks on/three weeks off.
San Francisco Bay and the lower Mississippi River are other examples of heavily trafficked waterways where small pilot groups enjoy a statutory monopoly on all work. Last year, members of the San Francisco Bar Pilots reportedly received an average net income of $451,336.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maritime_pilotBecause maritime pilots have advanced to the top of the maritime profession and are responsible for the most dangerous part of a voyage, they are generally well compensated.[citation needed]
The Florida Alliance of Maritime Organizations reported that Florida pilots salaries range from US$100,000 to US$400,000 annually. This was similar to other US states with large ports.[11] Columbia River bar pilots earn about US$180,000 per year.[12] A 2008 review of pilot salary in the United States showed that pay ranged from about US$250,000 to over US$500,000 per year.[13]
I was hired as an adviser on new rules the Greek CAA were putting into place for training.What was your position with the regulator?
They were delighted with my suggestions and treated me and paid me very well which was accomplishment enough for me.What did you accomplish?
Interesting question.Perhaps your best before date is past?
Yeh it's me and I hope to hang around for a few more years.. E is back!!
I always thought this was you too.C.W.E. wrote: ↑Mon Feb 26, 2018 12:36 pm I may be past my best before date but at least I can read and understand what I am reading.
No, I have not forgot my password and I don't have three usernames I have two.
Cat Driver and my initials C.W.E. .
The poster who said . E. is back was making a comment.....but you obviously can not figure that out.
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