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[WeedPro2000]

I really wouldn't lose much sleep over who owns the website. Who cares?

You have a job, a good job. You have food to eat, clean clothes to wear, a place to sleep. if you look at the world's population, you are likely among the most privileged 0.1% of the planet. And if you look back in the last 1000 years of human history, you are healthier and have an easier life, free from violence and hunger and disease, like that puts you among some stupidly rarified number.

If you forget all the propaganda about how bad things are here at WJ from the purveyors of doom, and sit back and realize how easy you have it, you'll have a great life. Once you get something to vote on, then go vote on it however you like. In the big scheme of things, this is just like every other event in your life that you thought was so bloody important, and then with the passage of time you realized none of it mattered. In the end, we're all going to be dead. All the bullsh!t mutterings from the ALPA fanboi mob, won't mean anything. All that so serious sounding armpit sniffing whining. I don't get it. It's like they are pre WWI coal miners in the north of England trying to fight for the right to live a proper life. Honestly...(Go read "The Road to Wiggan Pier")

After 6 paychecks in 2018, I have already paid $60,000 in income taxes. That's my big problem. Income taxes. And that's only because WJ pays me too much money.

I'm going to go grab a shower, put on some clean undies and dress myself for the awesome day of flying ahead here we won't be talking about ALPA in the flight deck. Unless it's to demonstrate how to most efficiently remove orange stickers from company property.

再见

[saltypilot]

I really wouldn't lose much sleep over who owns the website. Who cares?

You have a job, a good job. You have food to eat, clean clothes to wear, a place to sleep. if you look at the world's population, you are likely among the most privileged 0.1% of the planet. And if you look back in the last 1000 years of human history, you are healthier and have an easier life, free from violence and hunger and disease, like that puts you among some stupidly rarified number.

If you forget all the propaganda about how bad things are here at WJ from the purveyors of doom, and sit back and realize how easy you have it, you'll have a great life. Once you get something to vote on, then go vote on it however you like. In the big scheme of things, this is just like every other event in your life that you thought was so bloody important, and then with the passage of time you realized none of it mattered. In the end, we're all going to be dead. All the bullsh!t mutterings from the ALPA fanboi mob, won't mean anything. All that so serious sounding armpit sniffing whining. I don't get it. It's like they are pre WWI coal miners in the north of England trying to fight for the right to live a proper life. Honestly...(Go read "The Road to Wiggan Pier")

After 6 paychecks in 2018, I have already paid $60,000 in income taxes. That's my big problem. Income taxes. And that's only because WJ pays me too much money.

I'm going to go grab a shower, put on some clean undies and dress myself for the awesome day of flying ahead here we won't be talking about ALPA in the flight deck. Unless it's to demonstrate how to most efficiently remove orange stickers from company property.

再见

I’m sure this is the same attitude that the 1% have...”we should just be happy with our lot”. Get real.

[WeedPro2000]

Cams memo (last year) also said Swoop would be good for our career growth

Well, for one thing, ALPA is the one keeping you out of the Swoop seats, and by extension, that means you, the pilot that voted to bring them on to the property. So if you’re looking for reasons why things aren’t looking so groovy right now, find a mirror.

Or perhaps you are one of those pilots who thought that the market for the WJ mainline product was large enough that the company could just keep on ordering 737’s until les vaches sont chez eux. That was not going to happen.

Here’s an analysis of Swoop: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ne-447243/

Many North American legacy carriers have tried the low cost airline with an airline, and it failed. We needed, as original WJ founder Mark Hill puts it, “NO BS LOW COSTS” in order to have a fighting chance to claim that space.

I’m sympathetic that you didn’t see this coming. I didn’t see my job loss at C3, Royal, or Air Atlantic coming. Now, 17 years after C3’s demise, I’m making serious dough flying a 37. Lots of the people in the right seat here at WJ are much much younger than I was when I got here. They’ll do fine as long as their company does fine. Or go elsewhere. Whatever. No one owes you sh!t. This is an airline. Change happens, get over yourself, and work to make your airline the strongest competitor possible.

The biggest threat to career advancement of (current and former) Encore pilots is located in Herndon.

[J Roc]

I really wouldn't lose much sleep over who owns the website. Who cares?

You have a job, a good job. You have food to eat, clean clothes to wear, a place to sleep. if you look at the world's population, you are likely among the most privileged 0.1% of the planet. And if you look back in the last 1000 years of human history, you are healthier and have an easier life, free from violence and hunger and disease, like that puts you among some stupidly rarified number.

If you forget all the propaganda about how bad things are here at WJ from the purveyors of doom, and sit back and realize how easy you have it, you'll have a great life. Once you get something to vote on, then go vote on it however you like. In the big scheme of things, this is just like every other event in your life that you thought was so bloody important, and then with the passage of time you realized none of it mattered. In the end, we're all going to be dead. All the bullsh!t mutterings from the ALPA fanboi mob, won't mean anything. All that so serious sounding armpit sniffing whining. I don't get it. It's like they are pre WWI coal miners in the north of England trying to fight for the right to live a proper life. Honestly...(Go read "The Road to Wiggan Pier")

After 6 paychecks in 2018, I have already paid $60,000 in income taxes. That's my big problem. Income taxes. And that's only because WJ pays me too much money.

I'm going to go grab a shower, put on some clean undies and dress myself for the awesome day of flying ahead here we won't be talking about ALPA in the flight deck. Unless it's to demonstrate how to most efficiently remove orange stickers from company property.

再见

Absolutely, John!! A positive attitude of thankfulness and appreciation will perpetuate more to be thankful for. Like I tell my kids - your thoughts are your currency in life. If you harbour angry and selifish thoughts then you'll forever be angry and alone. Be thankful for everything and everyone in your life and you'll never go without or be alone. "I think therefore I am..."

WJ is a fantastic company to work for and I doubt you'll speak with many who feel otherwise. Now, obviously there's a fringe group on both sides of that statement - those who feel that it'll never be good enough and those who are plotting to destroy orange stickers. I'm just thankful that those groups are the small minority and have little to NO effect on our journey to achieve solidarity and fair market value.

All the best!

J RO

[pigboat]

On a lighter note. Youtube.com ..... cartoon..... " Airline and pilot negotiation." Management will always try and play you. Stick together and BE prepared to back up your Union.

"Living the dream". lego pilot, pt. I, II and III are good for a laugh as well.

[complexintentions]

I think the fact that ALPA prioritizes keeping one's mouth shut after an accident/incident over seeking medical attention for the crew speaks volumes. ALPA is just a big, political machine, profit-driven like any other company, who depends on constantly recruiting new members. Frankly I'd be surprised is the first person to "answer the phone" in Washington/Virginia even knew where Calgary is or who WestJet is.

But vandalizing company property by putting stickers on it is kind of a no-on at any company. Surely this doesn't have to be explained? Stick it on your flight bag with all the other dork airplane stickers if that's your thing!

Really, most of the posts seem merely for the purpose of seething with envy that WeedPro2000 seems to actually enjoy his lot in life. Sure, maybe he's doing better than most can due to the simple luck of timing, but...so what? So much petty jealousy...focus on what you have, not what you perceive you are missing. Trust me, you'll be happier!

It costs the pilots to work at Westjet!

My favourite quote so far. Maybe WestJet pilots are well-compensated, maybe they're not. Compared to the wags of the average Canadian I'm pretty sure they're doing "ok". But it stretches credulity to suggest that they're so hard-done that they work at a net loss every month!

[altiplano]

I remember a guy on my last type who used to break clipboards over his knee that colleagues had put in every fin for convenience, and break off the little plastic adhesive clips we liked to attach the recent ATIS to under the ISFD...

Everyone appreciated the convenience of those things... it isn't vandalism... you don't need an STC for a clip or clipboard... or a sticker on a clipboard with an emergency contact for someone to help support and represent you in an incident, particularly when you may be overwhelmed or in shock...

I don't know how ALPA works exactly, but I'm sure it doesn't prioritize keeping your mouth shut ahead of supporting your crew in an urgent situation. I think following an incident waiting for the correct time to speak is prudent anyway since you have other things to do like supporting your crew and gathering yourself.... particularly in some foreign jurisdictions.

Additionally, we all ought to know that there are airlines and manufacturers and governments and airports and air navigation services, ALL with significant legal machines and resources and an extremely large interest that a report concludes in "pilot error"... and they are all keeping their mouths shut until they get their story straight, why wouldn't you?

[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

I think the fact that ALPA prioritizes keeping one's mouth shut after an accident/incident over seeking medical attention for the crew speaks volumes. ALPA is just a big, political machine, profit-driven like any other company, who depends on constantly recruiting new members. Frankly I'd be surprised is the first person to "answer the phone" in Washington/Virginia even knew where Calgary is or who WestJet is.

But vandalizing company property by putting stickers on it is kind of a no-on at any company. Surely this doesn't have to be explained? Stick it on your flight bag with all the other dork airplane stickers if that's your thing!

Really, most of the posts seem merely for the purpose of seething with envy that WeedPro2000 seems to actually enjoy his lot in life. Sure, maybe he's doing better than most can due to the simple luck of timing, but...so what? So much petty jealousy...focus on what you have, not what you perceive you are missing. Trust me, you'll be happier!

It costs the pilots to work at Westjet!

My favourite quote so far. Maybe WestJet pilots are well-compensated, maybe they're not. Compared to the wags of the average Canadian I'm pretty sure they're doing "ok". But it stretches credulity to suggest that they're so hard-done that they work at a net loss every month!

Nice post John. Please feel sorry for me once again. If your happy at Westjet great. So am I, I just like pointing out your posts as complete bull$hit.

Pilots pay, parking, LTD, “taxable benefit perks” pay for our pension etc. It doesn’t matter what the average Canadian makes, that is irrvelovant to our situation.

You always try to turn the attention to something that doesn’t matter.

Your the best

[complexintentions]

hahah now EVERYONE who disagrees with you is this same person, is that it? Man, if that isn't a sign that you need to take a deep breath and perhaps get a mental health break, I don't know what is.

Just a friendly tip, but the conjunction of "you are" is "you're", not "your". Unless of course you're trying to sound ignorant. But in that case I'd suggest using "yer".

And it certainly is relevant what the average Canadian makes when rhetoric is employed to suggest that WestJet pilots are just poor, downtrodden minions, literally paying a price to be working there. THAT, my friend, is some "complete bullshit".

I don't know how ALPA works exactly, but I'm sure it doesn't prioritize keeping your mouth shut ahead of supporting your crew in an urgent situation.

Then why does their own sticker list as the first thing to do in accident/incident as "MAKE NO STATEMENTS TO ANYONE OUTSIDE ALPA" followed a couple lines later by "Obtain medical attention for the crew"? Anyone with a basic understanding of checklist design would acknowledge that actions deemed most important are listed first.

Unless specifically requested to by the company, putting stickers of any kind on company property is of course vandalism. Duh. Putting ones up that represent something people are divided about is even more stupid, just a childish provocation. I've never that to be an effective way to bring someone around to my way of thinking.

[altiplano]

I didn't see the checklist, but...

It's a non-action... Don't do this...

[Oxi]

hahah now EVERYONE who disagrees with you is this same person, is that it? Man, if that isn't a sign that you need to take a deep breath and perhaps get a mental health break, I don't know what is.

Just a friendly tip, but the conjunction of "you are" is "you're", not "your". Unless of course you're trying to sound ignorant. But in that case I'd suggest using "yer".

And it certainly is relevant what the average Canadian makes when rhetoric is employed to suggest that WestJet pilots are just poor, downtrodden minions, literally paying a price to be working there. THAT, my friend, is some "complete bullshit".

I don't know how ALPA works exactly, but I'm sure it doesn't prioritize keeping your mouth shut ahead of supporting your crew in an urgent situation.

Then why does their own sticker list as the first thing to do in accident/incident as "MAKE NO STATEMENTS TO ANYONE OUTSIDE ALPA" followed a couple lines later by "Obtain medical attention for the crew"? Anyone with a basic understanding of checklist design would acknowledge that actions deemed most important are listed first.

Unless specifically requested to by the company, putting stickers of any kind on company property is of course vandalism. Duh. Putting ones up that represent something people are divided about is even more stupid, just a childish provocation. I've never that to be an effective way to bring someone around to my way of thinking.

Fairly certain its a no brainer that you can say nothing while going to obtain medical attention. come on

[Alcoholism]

hahah now EVERYONE who disagrees with you is this same person, is that it? Man, if that isn't a sign that you need to take a deep breath and perhaps get a mental health break, I don't know what is.

Just a friendly tip, but the conjunction of "you are" is "you're", not "your". Unless of course you're trying to sound ignorant. But in that case I'd suggest using "yer".

And it certainly is relevant what the average Canadian makes when rhetoric is employed to suggest that WestJet pilots are just poor, downtrodden minions, literally paying a price to be working there. THAT, my friend, is some "complete bullshit".

I don't know how ALPA works exactly, but I'm sure it doesn't prioritize keeping your mouth shut ahead of supporting your crew in an urgent situation.

Then why does their own sticker list as the first thing to do in accident/incident as "MAKE NO STATEMENTS TO ANYONE OUTSIDE ALPA" followed a couple lines later by "Obtain medical attention for the crew"? Anyone with a basic understanding of checklist design would acknowledge that actions deemed most important are listed first.

Unless specifically requested to by the company, putting stickers of any kind on company property is of course vandalism. Duh. Putting ones up that represent something people are divided about is even more stupid, just a childish provocation. I've never that to be an effective way to bring someone around to my way of thinking.

Now now John.... btw, my name is also apparently John. I mean how dare we Johns have a different opinion than the WJGuppies. The paranoia is high in the WJ group. Now that, my friend John, is their down fall. So, from afar, we can watch them dig their own grave, as they blindly give all that they could have had, away. Then blame it on us Johns.

[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

hahah now EVERYONE who disagrees with you is this same person, is that it? Man, if that isn't a sign that you need to take a deep breath and perhaps get a mental health break, I don't know what is.

Just a friendly tip, but the conjunction of "you are" is "you're", not "your". Unless of course you're trying to sound ignorant. But in that case I'd suggest using "yer".

And it certainly is relevant what the average Canadian makes when rhetoric is employed to suggest that WestJet pilots are just poor, downtrodden minions, literally paying a price to be working there. THAT, my friend, is some "complete bullshit".

I don't know how ALPA works exactly, but I'm sure it doesn't prioritize keeping your mouth shut ahead of supporting your crew in an urgent situation.

Then why does their own sticker list as the first thing to do in accident/incident as "MAKE NO STATEMENTS TO ANYONE OUTSIDE ALPA" followed a couple lines later by "Obtain medical attention for the crew"? Anyone with a basic understanding of checklist design would acknowledge that actions deemed most important are listed first.

Unless specifically requested to by the company, putting stickers of any kind on company property is of course vandalism. Duh. Putting ones up that represent something people are divided about is even more stupid, just a childish provocation. I've never that to be an effective way to bring someone around to my way of thinking.

Oh John.

Making it personal now. Whatever. If you want to talk about personal history at the company, we should compare the number of write ups and AQD’s we have on our file.

Let’s compare pilots to pilots, flying the same aircraft on the same routes. YOS, min credit, trip rigs, DH credit etc. You don’t understand the argument. And it’s a waste of time trying to explain it to you because Johns life is great and my T4 is huge.

You really need to find a new hobby John

[complexintentions]

Fairly certain its a no brainer that you can say nothing while going to obtain medical attention. come on

Of course.

Just found it amusing that their own guidance places such a high priority on keeping your mouth shut that it places the statement, in all caps, at both the beginning and the end of the action list.

Of course it's important not to say anything incriminating after an accident/incident, but I'd like to think my main focus wouldn't be preoccupation with how I was going to cover my own ass.

I believe this is what is referred to as "union mentality".

[complexintentions]

Oh John.

Making it personal now. Whatever. If you want to talk about personal history at the company, we should compare the number of write ups and AQD’s we have on our file.

Let’s compare pilots to pilots, flying the same aircraft on the same routes. YOS, min credit, trip rigs, DH credit etc. You don’t understand the argument. And it’s a waste of time trying to explain it to you because Johns life is great and my T4 is huge.

You really need to find a new hobby John

Sorry dude, but you're a bit lost on who you think you're having an exchange with. Couldn't care less about T4's, haven't seen one in over a decade and hope to never see one again. Happy to compare histories, alas, they're completely unrelated.

But if talking to imaginary people is your thing carry on, you're only embarrassing yourself!

[Flyingsquirrelsuck]

Oh John.

Making it personal now. Whatever. If you want to talk about personal history at the company, we should compare the number of write ups and AQD’s we have on our file.

Let’s compare pilots to pilots, flying the same aircraft on the same routes. YOS, min credit, trip rigs, DH credit etc. You don’t understand the argument. And it’s a waste of time trying to explain it to you because Johns life is great and my T4 is huge.

You really need to find a new hobby John

Sorry dude, but you're a bit lost on who you think you're having an exchange with. Couldn't care less about T4's, haven't seen one in over a decade and hope to never see one again. Happy to compare histories, alas, they're completely unrelated.

But if talking to imaginary people is your thing carry on, you're only embarrassing yourself!

You just proved my point

[mantogasrsrwy]

The guy isn't John and calling everyone you disagree with John makes you sound kind of silly. That's his point I think.

[WeedPro2000]

Bargaining update – April 12
April 12, 2018
Dear WestJet Pilots,

This week marked our third bargaining session with the conciliation officers and ALPA, and we continued to make steady progress in several areas. Below are highlights on this week’s progress.

Latest information from the bargaining table

During this week’s three-day session, the parties continued to focus the majority of our attention on scheduling. We look forward to continuing our momentum on this complicated topic next session.

In addition to the scheduling discussion, the Company passed counter-proposals on Expenses, the Part-Time Program, Association Flight Release, Vacation, Statutory Holidays and Special Days Off. We also shared a letter outlining Company support regarding the Pilot Recovery Program to reside as an Appendix to the Collective Agreement. ALPA passed counter proposals on Layoff and Recall, Leaves of Absence, Medical Examinations, Sick Leave, Management and Supervisory Pilots and Expenses.

Our next session is scheduled for April 23-25, and we look forward to continuing our progress on reaching an agreement that you and the Company can support.

Update on the conciliation process

During this week’s session, the conciliation officers proposed an extension to the 60-day conciliation period and also requested that the parties schedule additional dates in both May and June. We were supportive of this extension as the conciliation process has been productive so far. While ALPA agreed to schedule additional bargaining dates, we were disappointed that they refused a conciliation extension, which means the 60-day conciliation period will end on April 27.

Even though there is only one more scheduled session within the conciliation period, the Company remains committed to meeting with ALPA in May and utilizing the dates that were set aside to further negotiations.

We were also disappointed to learn about ALPA’s reference to strikes last week, especially when we are actively engaged in negotiations and making progress towards our mutual goal of reaching an agreement for you, our valued Pilots. The Company is committed to working collaboratively and constructively with ALPA, and we believe that any talks about striking at this point in the process are counterproductive. Instead, we are going to continue to focus our efforts at the bargaining table and reaching an agreement that well-positions all of you and our airline for future growth and career opportunities.

Thank you

Thank you for staying informed throughout this process. We have received a number of questions and comments through our WestJet listens feature, and are working to update the website with new FAQs over the next week. Please visit wjpilotfacts.com for more information on negotiations or to submit your feedback. Bargaining can be a challenging and distracting time, and I sincerely thank you for the outstanding service and professionalism you continue to show throughout this process.

Respectfully and appreciatively,

Cam

I thought the ALPA narrative back in January was that the company wasn't bargaining sincerely. It seems the roles have changed. Now ALPA doesn't want to bargain. Weird.

[mbav8r]

Given everything that’s gone on, you take the company fluff at face value? Of course ALPA is the bad guy according to them, well and you.
If ALPA extends conciliation to when the company proposed, hmm isn’t June the proposed start up of swoop, yah that sounds like a good deal! For the company maybe.
Also, as long as the company is bargaining in good faith there is absolutely no reason to extend conciliation, you are in conciliation because the company refused to bargain, remember?

[Activia]

Bargaining update – April 12
April 12, 2018
Dear WestJet Pilots,

This week marked our third bargaining session with the conciliation officers and ALPA, and we continued to make steady progress in several areas. Below are highlights on this week’s progress.

Latest information from the bargaining table

During this week’s three-day session, the parties continued to focus the majority of our attention on scheduling. We look forward to continuing our momentum on this complicated topic next session.

In addition to the scheduling discussion, the Company passed counter-proposals on Expenses, the Part-Time Program, Association Flight Release, Vacation, Statutory Holidays and Special Days Off. We also shared a letter outlining Company support regarding the Pilot Recovery Program to reside as an Appendix to the Collective Agreement. ALPA passed counter proposals on Layoff and Recall, Leaves of Absence, Medical Examinations, Sick Leave, Management and Supervisory Pilots and Expenses.

Our next session is scheduled for April 23-25, and we look forward to continuing our progress on reaching an agreement that you and the Company can support.

Update on the conciliation process

During this week’s session, the conciliation officers proposed an extension to the 60-day conciliation period and also requested that the parties schedule additional dates in both May and June. We were supportive of this extension as the conciliation process has been productive so far. While ALPA agreed to schedule additional bargaining dates, we were disappointed that they refused a conciliation extension, which means the 60-day conciliation period will end on April 27.

Even though there is only one more scheduled session within the conciliation period, the Company remains committed to meeting with ALPA in May and utilizing the dates that were set aside to further negotiations.

We were also disappointed to learn about ALPA’s reference to strikes last week, especially when we are actively engaged in negotiations and making progress towards our mutual goal of reaching an agreement for you, our valued Pilots. The Company is committed to working collaboratively and constructively with ALPA, and we believe that any talks about striking at this point in the process are counterproductive. Instead, we are going to continue to focus our efforts at the bargaining table and reaching an agreement that well-positions all of you and our airline for future growth and career opportunities.

Thank you

Thank you for staying informed throughout this process. We have received a number of questions and comments through our WestJet listens feature, and are working to update the website with new FAQs over the next week. Please visit wjpilotfacts.com for more information on negotiations or to submit your feedback. Bargaining can be a challenging and distracting time, and I sincerely thank you for the outstanding service and professionalism you continue to show throughout this process.

Respectfully and appreciatively,

Cam

I thought the ALPA narrative back in January was that the company wasn't bargaining sincerely. It seems the roles have changed. Now ALPA doesn't want to bargain. Weird.

Whoa...Whoa...John! Posting company memo's on a public forum, is a complete violation of WJ corporate policy. I believe a corporate whistlerblower report is in order.

Shame...Shame.