Grooming Update

Discuss topics relating to Westjet.

Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, lilfssister, North Shore, I WAS Birddog

User avatar
KAG
Rank 11
Rank 11
Posts: 3619
Joined: Wed Feb 18, 2004 11:24 pm

Re: Grooming Update

Post by KAG »

Oh that hat...it was my favorite uniform piece lol
---------- ADS -----------
 
The feet you step on today might be attached to the ass you're kissing tomorrow.
Chase lifestyle not metal.
lostaviator
Rank 6
Rank 6
Posts: 432
Joined: Fri Jul 20, 2012 12:42 pm

Re: Grooming Update

Post by lostaviator »

This situation is going to get FA’s in more trouble then pilots. By refusing to groom, they are violating their roles and responsibilities outlined in their regulatory documents; pilots are not.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
complexintentions
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2183
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:49 pm
Location: of my pants is unknown.

Re: Grooming Update

Post by complexintentions »

yvrpilot82 wrote: Tue Jan 15, 2019 6:30 pm The CUPE memo was pretty clear. Asking the pilots to not help groom for free, as when it comes to their own negotiations they'll expect the same from them. It's just a shame they get thrown under the bus for the foreseeable.
Unfortunately it'll be the PAX that suffer, through either dirty cabins or delays. There's still no communication from management on this. I think they were hoping the pilots would continue grooming out of guilt for the FAs.
With all the hundreds of destroyed career plans I'd imagine morale is far too low to be cleaning up garbage voluntarily anymore.
Could you elaborate on the "hundreds of destroyed career plans"?
---------- ADS -----------
 
I’m still waiting for my white male privilege membership card. Must have gotten lost in the mail.
yvrpilot82
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 29
Joined: Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:26 pm

Re: Grooming Update

Post by yvrpilot82 »

Complex,

Perhaps some hyperbole and poetic license. But a lot of unhappy FOs who've waited 8+ years for an upgrade to see those left seats go to Swoop for 60 cents on the dollar.
---------- ADS -----------
 
Hudson90
Rank 1
Rank 1
Posts: 17
Joined: Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:56 pm

Re: Grooming Update

Post by Hudson90 »

[quote=complexintentions post_id=1066560 time=15

Could you elaborate on the "hundreds of destroyed career plans"?
[/quote]

Com’on EDITED! No Doxing, please!Stop being a troll! You know better than that. Let them vent! It's been a long dragged out process with great dissipointment. With your experience, maybe show a little compassion.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
Shady McSly
Rank 5
Rank 5
Posts: 338
Joined: Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:28 am

Re: Grooming Update

Post by Shady McSly »

Perhaps some hyperbole and poetic license
..throw in a dash of editorial and you got yourself a bowl of fake news.
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
complexintentions
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2183
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:49 pm
Location: of my pants is unknown.

Re: Grooming Update

Post by complexintentions »

yvrpilot82 wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:13 pm Complex,

Perhaps some hyperbole and poetic license. But a lot of unhappy FOs who've waited 8+ years for an upgrade to see those left seats go to Swoop for 60 cents on the dollar.
Well, ok. No doubt disappointing, but hardly unusual in the industry.

There are lots of options for faster paths to a left seat and more money, if that's all one wants. Just might not be at Westjet, or it may take longer there now. The speed of upgrades has always varied wildly depending on tons of factors beyond anyone's control. Low-cost divisions are the future, unfortunately.

But ultimately a company's purpose is to make money. I sometimes get the sense a lot of pilots - especially those who got into the industry when things were moving quickly - seem to believe airlines exist to serve their career and financial goals.
---------- ADS -----------
 
I’m still waiting for my white male privilege membership card. Must have gotten lost in the mail.
Legacy
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 539
Joined: Tue Jan 04, 2005 9:05 pm

Re: Grooming Update

Post by Legacy »

complexintentions wrote: Mon Jan 21, 2019 5:53 am
yvrpilot82 wrote: Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:13 pm Complex,

Perhaps some hyperbole and poetic license. But a lot of unhappy FOs who've waited 8+ years for an upgrade to see those left seats go to Swoop for 60 cents on the dollar.
But ultimately a company's purpose is to make money. I sometimes get the sense a lot of pilots - especially those who got into the industry when things were moving quickly - seem to believe airlines exist to serve their career and financial goals.
True, but the problem is most companies lose sight as to who is actually making them money and take the employees for granted.
---------- ADS -----------
 
jjj
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 746
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2004 12:53 am

Re: Grooming Update

Post by jjj »

Complexintentions,

I think pilots have the expectation that their employers uphold the deal they agreed too.

They're not snotty or entitled - they're tired of the goal posts getting moved again.

JJJ
---------- ADS -----------
 
User avatar
complexintentions
Rank 10
Rank 10
Posts: 2183
Joined: Thu Aug 19, 2004 3:49 pm
Location: of my pants is unknown.

Re: Grooming Update

Post by complexintentions »

I was referring to pilot’s expectations of career progression. As long as a company acts legally, they have every right to do what they think is best for company profitability and viability. Obviously, this could impact employee aspirations. Sometimes goalposts have to be moved when the game changes.

So while I understand the disappointment at not being able to get ahead as quickly as hoped, it IS entitlement to think that it is a right. There is no “deal” made that guarantees one will get their upgrade when one thinks they will.
---------- ADS -----------
 
I’m still waiting for my white male privilege membership card. Must have gotten lost in the mail.
Post Reply

Return to “WestJet”