#Swoopprez Out!

[Launchpad1]

Exactly.

It's the international growth (787's) of WJ that's probably going to take a hit for a couple of years. The low cost part is probably going to see good growth figures.

[kiaszceski]

Exactly.

It's the international growth (787's) of WJ that's probably going to take a hit for a couple of years. The low cost part is probably going to see good growth figures.

As long as there is cargo to move around the globe I'd rather think the 737 will take the hit.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Exactly.

It's the international growth (787's) of WJ that's probably going to take a hit for a couple of years. The low cost part is probably going to see good growth figures.

As long as there is cargo to move around the globe I'd rather think the 737 will take the hit.

Definitely sounds like a good time to be at Encore.

[Yycjetdriver]

Exactly.

It's the international growth (787's) of WJ that's probably going to take a hit for a couple of years. The low cost part is probably going to see good growth figures.

As long as there is cargo to move around the globe I'd rather think the 737 will take the hit.

Definitely sounds like a good time to be at Encore.

Good time to be at Encore? How so?

[kiaszceski]

As long as there is cargo to move around the globe I'd rather think the 737 will take the hit.

Definitely sounds like a good time to be at Encore.

Good time to be at Encore? How so?

Yea... How so? Because unless you are within the first half of people that got hire at Westjet, you'll probably end up on the CEWS and EI...

[Blue42]

Exactly.

It's the international growth (787's) of WJ that's probably going to take a hit for a couple of years. The low cost part is probably going to see good growth figures.

As long as there is cargo to move around the globe I'd rather think the 737 will take the hit.

Definitely sounds like a good time to be at Encore.

Anyone that is at Encore is very likely gone in the next month....plus half the jet folks.

[Flight_Deck]

Highly doubt it if there is an airline stimulus package that takes effect. The companies want to mitigate lay-offs at all costs and to implement the PTA will cost WestJet millions of dollars in training and retraining costs. Management will do everything in their power to not have to implement the PTA in my opinion. Plus when the industry spools up, I don’t think WestJet will want to be left in the dust by Air Canada. Not saying there won’t be any layoffs but all of Encore and half the jet pilots seems excessive and unrealistic. I’m sure there will be concessions to the contract that a high majority of the WestJet pilots will be okay with temporarily to allow the company to weather the storm and allow more pilots to hold onto their jobs.

[Yycjetdriver]

Highly doubt it if there is an airline stimulus package that takes effect. The companies want to mitigate lay-offs at all costs and to implement the PTA will cost WestJet millions of dollars in training and retraining costs. Management will do everything in their power to not have to implement the PTA in my opinion. Plus when the industry spools up, I don’t think WestJet will want to be left in the dust by Air Canada. Not saying there won’t be any layoffs but all of Encore and half the jet pilots seems excessive and unrealistic. I’m sure there will be concessions to the contract that a high majority of the WestJet pilots will be okay with temporarily to allow the company to weather the storm and allow more pilots to hold onto their jobs.

There cannot be concessions to the contract without the agreement of both parties. While mainline pilots were willing to allow concessions for April, the majority are not willing to allow concessions for an extended period.
Management is to blame this, they’ve always played hard ball when trying to adhere to the contract, they’ve tried to manipulate the contract at every turn and they’ve tried to circumvent the contract(Swoop).
The pilot group knows that if concessions are given they’re likely never returned in their entirety. They also know that when the next next CBA is being worked on our economy/industry will be in a worse place. The whole point of a CBA is to offer protection, there should be zero reason to give in to longer term concessions it’s not like we’re all making 500k a year a good chunk of the pilots barely make ends meat with 100% CBA compliance.

[ayseven]

As painful as it is right now, it is a lot more painful to hire and train new people once they need them.They stand to lose a lot of business while they spool up, once things improve on the health front. The wheels usually move slowly in big companies.

[flashheart]

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Low Cost Carriers depend on densification to keep fares down.

Who in their right mind wants to be crammed in a plane right now?

Prove me wrong but I see air travel being for the wealthy in the short to medium term.

We are years away from having this virus to a level where people are willing to be crammed together.

Hope I'm wrong but things have changed, dramatically

[digits_]

We are years away from having this virus to a level where people are willing to be crammed together.

Hope I'm wrong but things have changed, dramatically

I doubt it. Only people who have seen close friends and family members suffer or die from the disease, will be weary and will want to distance themselves. For others it will pretty quickly be a distant memory.

That doens't mean people will want to fly right away, but that will mainly be for money reasons, not quarantaine/health reasons.

[vermont]

As long as there is cargo to move around the globe I'd rather think the 737 will take the hit.

Definitely sounds like a good time to be at Encore.

Anyone that is at Encore is very likely gone in the next month....plus half the jet folks.

epitome of 2 pilots 3 opinions!

[vermont]

Don't forget he wanted pilots to pay for coffee.

As long as the HQ gets 1 ply!

[Launchpad1]

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Low Cost Carriers depend on densification to keep fares down.

Who in their right mind wants to be crammed in a plane right now?

Prove me wrong but I see air travel being for the wealthy in the short to medium term.

We are years away from having this virus to a level where people are willing to be crammed together.

Hope I'm wrong but things have changed, dramatically

I’m pretty sure only if there was a government stipulation stating that there had to be a gap between passengers that this would be an issue.

With the cerb and possible mortgage delayed payments there’s a lot of people who won’t be any worse of financially than if they’d been working. They’re going to want to fly places as soon as possible.

[telex]

Correct me if I'm wrong...

Low Cost Carriers depend on densification to keep fares down.

Who in their right mind wants to be crammed in a plane right now?

Prove me wrong but I see air travel being for the wealthy in the short to medium term.

We are years away from having this virus to a level where people are willing to be crammed together.

Hope I'm wrong but things have changed, dramatically

I’m pretty sure only if there was a government stipulation stating that there had to be a gap between passengers that this would be an issue.

With the cerb and possible mortgage delayed payments there’s a lot of people who won’t be any worse of financially than if they’d been working.


They’re going to want to fly places as soon as possible.

Wrong and wrong.
Delayed mortgages still need to be paid.
Do you have a vehicle payment?
Do you need to eat?
Is your credit card paid up?
Do you like heat and lights in your house?
Will you pay your property tax or fly somewhere as soon possible?
Will you pay your vehicle and or home insurance or fly somewhere as soon as possible?

['97 Tercel]

Wait, are those rhetorical or do we have to answer them?

[telex]

Wait, are those rhetorical or do we have to answer them?

Silly me.
I didn't ask what destination you wanted to fly to as soon as possible.
Please, the floor is yours.

[fishface]

Canadians already have bad spending habits (high debt to income ratio, etc.)
So maybe it’ll be status quo and load up the credit card, go on vacation when this is all over anyway?
Airlines also might be having some sweet seat sales to get the momentum going too.
I was unfortunately laid off because of all this too, but the wife and I are in good shape, especially with EI/CERB and now the wage subsidy program. You can bet your a$$ when things open up again and we can fly, we’ll be the first to be eating out at local restaurants to support our economy and we’re taking a vacation - the one we were supposed to go on this week actually. We of course do not load up the credit card, that would make me a hypocrite!

And about the “being crammed” thing:
Define being crammed. Like does being on a 189 seat -800 (swoop, for the “not so wealthy” folks to paraphrase what was said above) or a 174 seat -800 make a difference? If you ask me it’s all the same $hit.
What about being on a 300+ seat 787? It’s all the same...
Or does a couple inches here and there actually make a difference in psychological comfort factor RE the virus when travel will be open again?

You ask who in their right mind wants to be crammed into an aircraft...
Will it be any different when restaurants/bars open and it’s a full house? All the same...

[telex]

Canadians already have bad spending habits (high debt to income ratio, etc.)
So maybe it’ll be status quo and load up the credit card, go on vacation when this is all over anyway?
Airlines also might be having some sweet seat sales to get the momentum going too.
I was unfortunately laid off because of all this too, but the wife and I are in good shape, especially with EI/CERB and now the wage subsidy program. You can bet your a$$ when things open up again and we can fly, we’ll be the first to be eating out at local restaurants to support our economy and we’re taking a vacation - the one we were supposed to go on this week actually. We of course do not load up the credit card, that would make me a hypocrite!

And about the “being crammed” thing:
Define being crammed. Like does being on a 189 seat -800 (swoop, for the “not so wealthy” folks to paraphrase what was said above) or a 174 seat -800 make a difference? If you ask me it’s all the same $hit.
What about being on a 300+ seat 787? It’s all the same...
Or does a couple inches here and there actually make a difference in psychological comfort factor RE the virus when travel will be open again?

You ask who in their right mind wants to be crammed into an aircraft...
Will it be any different when restaurants/bars open and it’s a full house? All the same...

You and the wife are in good shape because of EI and CERB?

Unemployed and receiving government benefits puts you and yours in good shape?

[fishface]

You’re right, let me clarify.
We could live years with 0 income. The gov benefits help just that much more.