WS/WO Layoff Mitigation Agreement

[rudder]

Here's a question for anyone who might know,

Those of us that have been laid off but are on the company payroll for CEWS purposes get 75% of our salary. Does the fact that the mmg has temporarily gone down to 55 hours mean we will receive less on the CEWS?

I.e 75% of 55 hours instead of 75% of 75 hours.

The CEWS calculation is based on average weekly earnings prior to March 15.

Work sharing agreements therefore do not reduce CEWS compensation.

[carnie]

To clarify the CEWS covers 75% to a maximum of 58700. So essentially, the maximum you can take home is the equivalent of 44000 or 847per week minus EI/CPP/income tax.

[Yycjetdriver]

Not a pilot, but part of an employee group that is extremely busy taking care of the Jets while they are not flying.

Here's to hoping other departments do not have to lose more people now that 1000 of you are saved!

No need to be concerned about that, the company comes out ahead in this deal.... as usual. The pilots took the concessions and saved the company ten’s of millions on training cost’s.

[learcapt]

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[Launchpad1]

Thanks for the info rudder and carnie, appreciate it.

[Red1]

Not a pilot, but part of an employee group that is extremely busy taking care of the Jets while they are not flying.

Here's to hoping other departments do not have to lose more people now that 1000 of you are saved!

No need to be concerned about that, the company comes out ahead in this deal.... as usual. The pilots took the concessions and saved the company ten’s of millions on training cost’s.

We also saved around a 1000 jobs,and stopped half the company from commuting. Sounds not bad.

[hurtin'albertan]

Not a pilot, but part of an employee group that is extremely busy taking care of the Jets while they are not flying.

Here's to hoping other departments do not have to lose more people now that 1000 of you are saved!

No need to be concerned about that, the company comes out ahead in this deal.... as usual. The pilots took the concessions and saved the company ten’s of millions on training cost’s.

Really. The company came out ahead? Do the math: How many hours did you actually fly an airplane in April? What are you sked for in May? Does that equal 77.5 hours? + 20% esp? Does it even equal 55? It doesn't for me. The day if any that you flew, how many people were on your airplane? They are paying more pilots than needed to sit around for more hours than needed. I would wager pilot payroll is in the top 5 biggest cost to the company right now since fuel is taking a dump and WE AREN'T FLYING AIRPLANES.

Should you get paid full pay to sit around? Sounds good, so would I. Until the company or onex says f that and throws the bankruptcy flag onto the field and then have fun when the judges rout the contract. Seen that movie before.

I'm a strong union guy, make no mistake. Sure I'd like to been able vote on this thing, but take a look around at everyone else. I think our reps did a decent job considering what our industry and the world are up against with no clear end date in sight except maybe a vaccine in a year or two. Let's hope this is over sooner somehow.

Oct 1 we go back to the contract.

[Guilden]

Red1,

We sure did.. but also created a significant amount of commuting (senior FO's west to east losing pay for hotels and or crash pads) and loss of position at lower wages. Some folk took losses of up to 70%..They could have made more staying home being with their families making same if not more. Times are tough, I get it. But this could have been handled much better with lets say... A VOTE. Don't shoot the messenger but a lot of pissed off people from top to bottom with the lack of communication we've gotten throughout this. On a side note it seems unreasonable to me for a 5-10 year Jet pilot whose paid his dues and earned his pride in this industry to go back to Navajo pay 10 years ago on a recall to what we call Swoop, after he's picked up garbage and went beyond means for so many years thinking he was respected the whole time.

[Red1]

Red1,

We sure did.. but also created a significant amount of commuting (senior FO's west to east losing pay for hotels and or crash pads) and loss of position at lower wages. Some folk took losses of up to 70%..They could have made more staying home being with their families making same if not more. Times are tough, I get it. But this could have been handled much better with lets say... A VOTE. Don't shoot the messenger but a lot of pissed off people from top to bottom with the lack of communication we've gotten throughout this. On a side note it seems unreasonable to me for a 5-10 year Jet pilot whose paid his dues and earned his pride in this industry to go back to Navajo pay 10 years ago on a recall to what we call Swoop, after he's picked up garbage and went beyond means for so many years thinking he was respected the whole time.

When I look at the numbers I see a lot more people holding on to their current positions, and a lot of other pilots who were to be furloughed in June staying as well. That's a lot less commuting than the original bid. Yes some pilots who were to be furloughed as captains in June will take a hit, but they now keep a job. Which in about 20 weeks time will be better than no job and ei. Should it have gone to a vote, sure, but its done.

[George Taylor]

You have to ask yourself which way was cheaper for the company? The current PSB with 1700 layoffs or this new scheme and new PSB bid. Whichever one was the cheaper option came at the expense of the pilots.

[learcapt]

Guilden,

"Some folk took losses of up to 70%..They could have made more staying home being with their families making same if not more."

So bid to be laid off if thats the case. Cant have it both ways. Guys bitching about the 70 percent pay cut are the ones that in all likely hood answered the APLA questionnaire to keep as much money as possible at the expense of many layoffs of guys below them.

[lostaviator]

All these “sit at home and get paid more” comments have not been thought out properly.

Lay-off pay is a one time thing.

CEWS ends June 6. CERB will end at some point too.

EI is only 500 or so a week and expires, and there’s no flying jobs out there.

Kids need dental work after benefits expire in 90 days? There goes a month of your sit at home EI pay.

The sit at home scenario only works out if the industry returns to normal by Q4. How confident are you in that happening and having a job by then?

When you get recalled, you’ll probably be commuting anyway as the junior guy and holding full reserve for 18 days. That’s if you get recalled because everyone on property will be working max overtime (as we always have done around here).

The senior guys will be fine. We are the only “international” airline that lets you keep flying (in your left seat) past 65. Their lost wages over the period of the moa can be recouped in a few months. I’ll support last pay to the last day in exchange for 65 retirement age. Deal?

[Yycjetdriver]

The senior guys will be fine. We are the only “international” airline that lets you keep flying (in your left seat) past 65. Their lost wages over the period of the moa can be recouped in a few months. I’ll support last pay to the last day in exchange for 65 retirement age. Deal?

This statement isn’t something to be proud of. The fact Westjet is the only “international” airline to “allow” pilots to fly past 65 says something about the WAWCON. Who needs to worry about a comfortable retirement, just flying till you die....

[lostaviator]

The senior guys will be fine. We are the only “international” airline that lets you keep flying (in your left seat) past 65. Their lost wages over the period of the moa can be recouped in a few months. I’ll support last pay to the last day in exchange for 65 retirement age. Deal?

This statement isn’t something to be proud of. The fact Westjet is the only “international” airline to “allow” pilots to fly past 65 says something about the WAWCON. Who needs to worry about a comfortable retirement, just flying till you die....

It’s all part of the ESPP scheme. It’s actually quite brilliant (from a business owner perspective). Call someone an owner, and create a system that results in a 200k per year individual living on an income comparable to a university student. Work them til they die, or until the total OT cost outweighs the static cost of a new pilot. Brilliant.

[flyinhigh]

Depends on how the LOU for the CEWS is written.

Also, it's 75% of salary to a maximum of $847 per week, therefore if you make anything over 70K you'll only get the $847.

[sstaurus]

The senior guys will be fine. We are the only “international” airline that lets you keep flying (in your left seat) past 65. Their lost wages over the period of the moa can be recouped in a few months. I’ll support last pay to the last day in exchange for 65 retirement age. Deal?

This statement isn’t something to be proud of. The fact Westjet is the only “international” airline to “allow” pilots to fly past 65 says something about the WAWCON. Who needs to worry about a comfortable retirement, just flying till you die....

It’s all part of the ESPP scheme. It’s actually quite brilliant (from a business owner perspective). Call someone an owner, and create a system that results in a 200k per year individual living on an income comparable to a university student. Work them til they die, or until the total OT cost outweighs the static cost of a new pilot. Brilliant.

You're still getting the money.

My god... sorry to pick on you but the amount of times I flew with top scale captains bitching about their pay... if you can manage cash flow at a kindergarten level you can make it with the esp program.

[Yycjetdriver]

This statement isn’t something to be proud of. The fact Westjet is the only “international” airline to “allow” pilots to fly past 65 says something about the WAWCON. Who needs to worry about a comfortable retirement, just flying till you die....

It’s all part of the ESPP scheme. It’s actually quite brilliant (from a business owner perspective). Call someone an owner, and create a system that results in a 200k per year individual living on an income comparable to a university student. Work them til they die, or until the total OT cost outweighs the static cost of a new pilot. Brilliant.

You're still getting the money.

My god... sorry to pick on you but the amount of times I flew with top scale captains bitching about their pay... if you can manage cash flow at a kindergarten level you can make it with the esp program.

Yummmm koolaid.
It’s not about being able to manage cash like a kindergartener and still get by. It’s about getting shafted by the company at every turn and being severely under compensated.

[RustyDeuce]

WestJet pilots are nothing but a bunch of whining babies nowadays. Nothing is good enough, everything is always bad. You guys are lucky to have jobs right now - every other group has taken massive hits and you're still left relatively standing.

[172cptn]

WestJet pilots are nothing but a bunch of whining babies nowadays. Nothing is good enough, everything is always bad. You guys are lucky to have jobs right now - every other group has taken massive hits and you're still left relatively standing.

I’ll have some of what he’s smoking

[Yycjetdriver]

WestJet pilots are nothing but a bunch of whining babies nowadays. Nothing is good enough, everything is always bad. You guys are lucky to have jobs right now - every other group has taken massive hits and you're still left relatively standing.

How dare we complain about the WAWCON eh? How dare we complain about be making much less than our main competition and being probably the lowest paid 737 & 787 drivers in the entire planet..... that’s not very Westjetty of us. I mean it’s not like the only and only reason I have a job is to be paid, but I shouldn’t complain what I am paid and just be happy with whatever they decide to give me.....