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BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by Freeport_Flyer » Tue Sep 10, 2019 3:30 pm

The situation at BA sounds a lot like what's happening here. There is no shortage of wage complaints on this forum. It seems like the BA pilots are doing something about it!

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... lot-strike
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Post by JohnnyHotRocks » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:13 pm

This would never happen in Canuckistan. Pilots will never stick together, and even if they did, the government would step in.
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Post by Inverted2 » Tue Sep 10, 2019 4:56 pm

We will never be allowed to strike here. Peoples weekend getaways and all-inclusives to Pukeacana are an essential service.
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Post by daedalusx » Tue Sep 10, 2019 5:16 pm

Correct. The Canadian govt would label it an essential service and force arbitration ...
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Post by Hangry » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:51 pm

This isn’t a “would” situation. This already happened. FOS. No grey area here.
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by Freeport_Flyer » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:00 pm

You’d think with all the Union dues paid, the union Lawyers would be able to mount a Constitutional challenge to being denied the right to take labour action.

Even the time it takes to legislate the union back to work will achieve, at least, part of the aim. And what happens if the union doesn’t go back to work after being told to do so? Are they going to arrest all the people picketing? I imagine that would be politically difficult.

But at the end of it public opinion will dictate the outcome and I can’t imagine the traveling public will side with the pilots that “ruined their vacation”...

Wait, why are union dues so high? Isn’t that money to cover strike pay?

I don’t get it...
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by dialdriver » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:25 pm

Freeport_Flyer wrote:
Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:00 pm

if the union doesn’t go back to work after being told to do so? Are they going to arrest all the people picketing?
They'll sue the pilots, garnishee wages,take their assets, houses, etc....go for it!
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Post by goingnowherefast » Wed Sep 11, 2019 2:16 am

Maybe we're all just to cynical about the past. Call up our union leaders and make our thoughts clear.
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Post by TSAM » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:03 am

It's not only "not sticking together", but as seen in this thread it's "why bother?" So what if our gov't lacks any societal intelligence, and common sense. So what if the world depends on us. It shouldn't, ever, stop us from trying. At the rate we pilots of a "profession" are broken, it seems we are satisfied with 2% annual pay increase. For shame on all of us.
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Post by a313 » Wed Sep 11, 2019 7:51 am

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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by Daniel Cooper » Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am

BA just took away the pilot's employee flight benefits for the next 3 years. That would seriously suck if you are a commuter. If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by plausiblyannonymous » Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 am

Daniel Cooper wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am
If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.
I don't think that the airlines in Canada would be able to get away with it. If I recall correctly, removing someone's benefits is akin to reducing their pay, which is considered to be constructive dismissal.
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by fish4life » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:25 am

plausiblyannonymous wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 am
Daniel Cooper wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am
If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.
I don't think that the airlines in Canada would be able to get away with it. If I recall correctly, removing someone's benefits is akin to reducing their pay, which is considered to be constructive dismissal.
Once both sides are in a position of job action in Canada anything can be given / taken away. One example would be a company not paying for sick time when they previously did as that would be job action which can range from something mundane like that to a full lock out.
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by Mr. North » Thu Sep 12, 2019 9:47 am

Daniel Cooper wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am
BA just took away the pilot's employee flight benefits for the next 3 years. That would seriously suck if you are a commuter. If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.
I'm not sure what the commuter ratio is for BA (I suspect it's large) but for the two majors in Canada it's roughly 40% of line pilots. So with anywhere from a full third to nearly half of your pilots using flight benefits to report to work, it's no longer a perk but an essential component of the operation. Hopefully BALPA calls their bluff for what it is and doesn't expend any capital trying to get it back. BA is just looking for leverage where they can.
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Post by sanjet » Thu Sep 12, 2019 11:16 am

Nah we don't learn. ACPA voted to allow unlimited narrowbody growth at B-scale wages during last reopener when the company is making record profits.
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Post by '97 Tercel » Sat Sep 14, 2019 9:12 pm

How can it be surprising...it seems ACPA's agenda is to protect the Old Boy's Club at the top.

I wonder how many times, "Don't worry guys, it won't affect you", has been said to the top 5%?
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Post by goingnowherefast » Sun Sep 15, 2019 3:53 am

Air Canada pilots should seek BALPA representation. :smt040
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by yycflyguy » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:13 am

plausiblyannonymous wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 am
Daniel Cooper wrote:
Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am
If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.
I don't think that the airlines in Canada would be able to get away with it. If I recall correctly, removing someone's benefits is akin to reducing their pay, which is considered to be constructive dismissal.
Travel privilege is not enshrined in the CBA. It is a privilege, not a contractually negotiated right. The company can, and has, changed the terms of their travel policy at a whim. I fully expect that this is just the company trying to pressure the group they are negotiating with and the three year ban will be lifted as soon as an agreement is reached. The real question is; how will this affect their pilots' enthusiasm to "help out" going forward. Will it be long term or will it be forgotten within 6 months like ACPA's collective anger after FOS.
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by tsgas » Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:54 am

The Thomas Cook pilots weren't happy with their wages either. Now the company is dead so they won't have to worry about a raise anymore.
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by yycflyguy » Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:27 am

tsgas wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:54 am
The Thomas Cook pilots weren't happy with their wages either. Now the company is dead so they won't have to worry about a raise anymore.
I really hope you aren't implying that pilots salary will make or break an airline.
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by tsgas » Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:50 pm

yycflyguy wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:27 am
tsgas wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:54 am
The Thomas Cook pilots weren't happy with their wages either. Now the company is dead so they won't have to worry about a raise anymore.
I really hope you aren't implying that pilots salary will make or break an airline.
"You can't squeeze blood from a rock."
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by vermont » Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:15 pm

tsgas wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:50 pm
yycflyguy wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:27 am
tsgas wrote:
Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:54 am
The Thomas Cook pilots weren't happy with their wages either. Now the company is dead so they won't have to worry about a raise anymore.
I really hope you aren't implying that pilots salary will make or break an airline.
"You can't squeeze blood from a rock."
So you'd agree your post is a total non sequitur, so why bother
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by goingnowherefast » Sun Oct 13, 2019 6:26 am

If the company is squeezing pilot salaries, just to survive, it's already too late. It's a common excuse used by management, but I don't buy it.

Low pay means pilot attrition, hiring struggles and cancelled flights. Cancel one wide body flight, especially in Europe and you'll probably have paid for most of the pilots' annual salaries in lost revenue, hotels, reimbursements, travel vouchers, etc.
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Re: BA Strike, Canada pay attention

Post by tsgas » Sun Oct 13, 2019 10:09 am

vermont wrote:
Sat Oct 12, 2019 7:15 pm
tsgas wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 5:50 pm
yycflyguy wrote:
Tue Oct 08, 2019 11:27 am


I really hope you aren't implying that pilots salary will make or break an airline.
"You can't squeeze blood from a rock."
So you'd agree your post is a total non sequitur, so why bother
So I agree that you are a silly troll. So go and play stupid somewhere else.
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