777 captain for $175K

[altiplano]

And only 20 days a month! Commute on your days off! You must hate yourself to that... For F/O pay too...

[Rockie]

This job ad must be some kind of joke.

[futboler14]

... and please stop yelling at us.

Bolding, use of capitals, and exclamation marks do nothing, IMHO.

[hst]

Where is the ad?

[pelmet]

If you can put your days off back to back, that is a good chunk of time off, 175K and the schedule beat skyservice.

"Our client, a world renowned national flag carrier flying to 80+ destinations worldwide and growing!

They are offering a long-term, renewable contract with a commuting roster:

20 days ON/10 days OFF

FIRST CLASS TRAVEL ON DAYS OFF!

Make up to $175,000! ONLY NEED 200 PIC HOURS ON TYPE!

Now flying into LAX 3x a week! *Immediate Start Dates Available*

Benefits:

Excellent Remuneration Package
Full Salary Received For Training Period
Guaranteed Loyalty Bonus
Personal Accident Insurance
Medical Coverage
1-3 year renewable contract
Fly up to 65 years-old
Overtime Paid


Minimum Requirements:

Current, Valid JAA/EASA, FAA, ICAO ATP
Current Class One Medical
Current B777 Type-Rating
No History of Accidents and/or Incidents
3500 hours total jet time
2500 PIC hours on jet aircraft


Email/Message me now for more Details! - Aali@fci.aero
http://www.fci.aero
+1-214-695-8803 (WhatsApp/Viber)
Skype: Aali.Fci.


FCI hires pilots and other flight deck crew positions for airlines worldwide. We are headquartered in Dallas, Texas USA and have been placing pilots globally for almost 25 years."

[DrSpaceman]

FCI seems to be posting a lot lately. Are they like some kind of eagle jet?

[BusDriver]

If you can put your days off back to back, that is a good chunk of time off, 175K and the schedule beat skyservice.

"Our client, a world renowned national flag carrier flying to 80+ destinations worldwide and growing!

They are offering a long-term, renewable contract with a commuting roster:

20 days ON/10 days OFF

FIRST CLASS TRAVEL ON DAYS OFF!

Make up to $175,000! ONLY NEED 200 PIC HOURS ON TYPE!
"

Pelmet,
You are joking right? Why even compare this with Skycircus? 225-250+ is going rate for a triple skipper to start. Most would be 275 and up. If I missed your attempt at sarcasm, sorry.

[loopa]

Isn't a WJ captain making 340k on his T4 flying a 737?

[altiplano]

put your days off back to back

And work 40 days in a row? So you can have 2 and a half weeks off? 6 times a year? Doubt you'd be recovered by the time you had to start your commute back to the other side of the world...

[complexintentions]

Isn't a WJ captain making 340k on his T4 flying a 737?

And work 40 days in a row? So you can have 2 and a half weeks off? 6 times a year? Doubt you'd be recovered by the time you had to start your commute back to the other side of the world...

Hmmm. The devil is in the details. Allow me to act as his advocate?

Setting aside that I know for a fact there are very few skippers pulling those kinds of numbers, IF a WJ captain is grossing 340k, that's about 220K after tax in Canadian pesos. Currently about 166k in USD. Which the quoted contract is almost assuredly denomintated in: 175k USD, and such contracts are inevitably expressed as net of tax. So the WS pay is actually lower. WRT to "FO wages", which Canadian FO makes 175k USD after tax, please? I'd like to apply there.

Rosters. That 340k wasn't earned without a substantial amount of overtime. And I'm pretty sure WS pilots don't get "2 and a half weeks off 6 times a year". Or do they? I dunno. Somehow I doubt it. "Work 40 days in a row" doesn't mean work every day, it means your duties are scheduled into those 40 days, including legal rest days and days off. A B777 is flying longhaul so it would be a small number of trips. Not 4-6 sectors/day into Saskatoon and Fort Mac.

I am inclined to agree that the pay is low for a B777 captain. But it's still better than what's on offer in Canada, and to even attempt a comparison that flatters Canada you have to use the absolute most senior jobs in Canada to do so.

I'm guessing it's either Ethiopian or Turkish as those are the lower paying contract jobs behind the Asian ones. Can't be bothered to look.

But do remember that not all currencies and tax regimes are created equal when comparing pay...the only thing that counts is what you get to keep.

[Joe Blow Schmo]

Isn't a WJ captain making 340k on his T4 flying a 737?

And work 40 days in a row? So you can have 2 and a half weeks off? 6 times a year? Doubt you'd be recovered by the time you had to start your commute back to the other side of the world...

Hmmm. The devil is in the details. Allow me to act as his advocate?

Setting aside that I know for a fact there are very few skippers pulling those kinds of numbers, IF a WJ captain is grossing 340k, that's about 220K after tax in Canadian pesos. Currently about 166k in USD. Which the quoted contract is almost assuredly denomintated in: 175k USD, and such contracts are inevitably expressed as net of tax. So the WS pay is actually lower. WRT to "FO wages", which Canadian FO makes 175k USD after tax, please? I'd like to apply there.

Rosters. That 340k wasn't earned without a substantial amount of overtime. And I'm pretty sure WS pilots don't get "2 and a half weeks off 6 times a year". Or do they? I dunno. Somehow I doubt it. "Work 40 days in a row" doesn't mean work every day, it means your duties are scheduled into those 40 days, including legal rest days and days off. A B777 is flying longhaul so it would be a small number of trips. Not 4-6 sectors/day into Saskatoon and Fort Mac.

I am inclined to agree that the pay is low for a B777 captain. But it's still better than what's on offer in Canada, and to even attempt a comparison that flatters Canada you have to use the absolute most senior jobs in Canada to do so.

I'm guessing it's either Ethiopian or Turkish as those are the lower paying contract jobs behind the Asian ones. Can't be bothered to look.

But do remember that not all currencies and tax regimes are created equal when comparing pay...the only thing that counts is what you get to keep.

Last I'm aware of, from earlier in the year, the Turkish 777 captain pay was about 29400 Lira/month including the bonus averaged out monthly. That's just over CAD13,000/month or less than CAD160,000/year. It's horrible pay. Not to mention the Lira is on a serious downward slide. It's lost 15-20% against the Canadian dollar this year, and the Canadian dollar has been dropping too! Throw in an uncompetitive 20/10 schedule and it's a sad statement on the rest of the industry that they can actually find crew under those terms.

[tbaylx]

That there is the reason most contracts pay in USD, you roll the dice if its another currency that isn't pegged. Turkish will find in increasingly difficult to attract qualified candidates

[pelmet]

If you can put your days off back to back, that is a good chunk of time off, 175K and the schedule beat skyservice.

"Our client, a world renowned national flag carrier flying to 80+ destinations worldwide and growing!

They are offering a long-term, renewable contract with a commuting roster:

20 days ON/10 days OFF

FIRST CLASS TRAVEL ON DAYS OFF!

Make up to $175,000! ONLY NEED 200 PIC HOURS ON TYPE!
"

Pelmet,
You are joking right? Why even compare this with Skycircus? 225-250+ is going rate for a triple skipper to start. Most would be 275 and up. If I missed your attempt at sarcasm, sorry.

What is Air Transat paying a captain. Found it, in Canadian dollars. 175 Canadian after 10 full years. Do you hate yourself if you work for AT?


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[BusDriver]

If you can put your days off back to back, that is a good chunk of time off, 175K and the schedule beat skyservice.

"Our client, a world renowned national flag carrier flying to 80+ destinations worldwide and growing!

They are offering a long-term, renewable contract with a commuting roster:

20 days ON/10 days OFF

FIRST CLASS TRAVEL ON DAYS OFF!

Make up to $175,000! ONLY NEED 200 PIC HOURS ON TYPE!
"

Pelmet,
You are joking right? Why even compare this with Skycircus? 225-250+ is going rate for a triple skipper to start. Most would be 275 and up. If I missed your attempt at sarcasm, sorry.

What is Air Transat paying a captain. Found it, in Canadian dollars. 175 Canadian after 10 full years. Do you hate yourself if you work for AT?


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Pelmet,
Don't hate myself at all...and doubt any of my colleagues do either. Even though your pay scale is out of date and about 20-25k lower than the actual rates, we know we won't be the highest paid pilots in the world. But I can assure you we have desirable working conditions and we can do it from our home country. In my opinion, it is a better choice than commuting to IST for less money...

There is another thread in the general section about being happy or not, what category do you fall in?

[altiplano]

CI - I appreciate your advocacy on the behalf of a clearly helpless case... Line a pro-bono crusader for the bleak!

1 - "Commuting Contract" - inferring you are going home for your +/-8 days a month so not tax free. We don't even see what country this job is in... Could be taxes there... Hope they have a tax treaty if so...

2 - re:"B777 is flying longhaul" - sure it's a long haul work horse - but they work those things like narrowbodies in some spots. ie. Cathay guys will do double Manila turns in a day - in aircraft configured without bunks at that... So again don't know the details you might work your ass off.

3- "2 and a half weeks" 6x/yr... I was more pointing out the possible flaw in the idea of 'stacking' your days off... I have heard though about some of the West Jet guys driving around with their suitcase/flightbag in there car on their days off in case they can scoop some OT... at the trough while you can I suppose...

4- re: Air Transat... They are certainly dragging it down... Pick it up boys... At least it's not a 777 @ $175k though... I assume that's blended? 330/310? Is the 737 included at that rate?

5 Re: CND peso... What are you going to do... we were par this time last year... On a good note though we're low inflation so at least it's not hurting us yet at home and my per diems for foreign layovers are adjusting up as our $ crashes... so that's extra gravy because I never manage to blow it all on eating/drinking/duty free... Exchange on the Hawaii trip for the family this year will hurt though... Anyway out of my control... Note to self- stock up on foreign currencies next time...

6 - Canadian comparison... Assuming your low/no tax ideal - Let's make a comparable situation at least 'commuting' - Canada you only pay tax on half your earnings if you work in Canada and are living elsewhere... I don't know pick a low/no tax jurisdiction... Bermuda, Bahamas, that narrows it up... EMJ cpt pays almost as much as this triple job and is going pretty junior... maybe year 3? 320 is over $200K... And you aren't working 20 days...

As for FO? New hires are going on the bottom of the 67 now and first year on formula will be over $125K - And again not working 20 days... Triple FOs are almost 200 for 9 days/month, I don't know you can figure the taxes...

7- I'm glad you agree $175 is low.

This is a 777 captain seat for f-sake and this company is paying not much more than what a junior emj captain gets paid here. I thought you if anyone should give value to your seat - you are a captain on this machine from what I've gleaned - it would be you.

Cheers alti...

[pelmet]

175K US equal 232K Canadian. If you go straight in captain at AT with 25K more per year than what I posted, you will make 1,589,000ver 10 years.

For the posted job at current exchange rates which could get better or worse, you will make 2,320,000.

I never hear anyone say how pilots at Air Transat must hate themselves. There are plenty of threads with guys hoping for interviews. If you really want to live somewhere else than YUL or YYZ, perhaps an extra 800K is worth it. If you want to live in Morden, Manitoba, YUL and YYZ feel just as far away as the other side of the world and a lot more expensive.

I think people are talking without thinking things through or have another reason for their opinions. Of course, starting from today, a 40 year old could try a different option and go to Jazz or Encore to work their way up to captain. Yeah, that's right, I'll try that route and see if I love myself more.

[Joe Blow Schmo]

Pelmet,

Turkish does not pay $175K US. The ad was $175K Canadian, and even that is wrong. It was $175K Canadian a few months ago but with the decline of the Lira it's about $160K Canadian now. You are paid in Turkish Lira not USD.

[complexintentions]

altiplano,

I could care less about the contract mentioned. I don't know whose it is, don't care. Just stating that IF it were 175k/USD net of tax, it's a far cry more than anything but the more senior jobs in Canada. If it's 175k CAD, gross, then yeah, that sucks. But bear in mind that a commuting contract can definitely remain tax-free, you don't have to spend your every stretch of days off in Canada (and in winter, why would you)? And suddenly that pay gets a 30-40% boost against the Canadian job - in whatever currency it's paid.

My point was more to read the damn fine print, instead of crowing about how much Emb drivers make or whatever. There is money to be made outside of Canada, and there are perils as well. Not everyone wants to fly an Embraer, although I understand it's a fine machine. Are you really trying to suggest that a B777 will fly the same or more sectors as a regional jet? Ok.

Mostly I get tired of people posting jobs simply to sneer at them. If you don't like it, don't apply. Enjoy your own job and be thankful you don't have to struggle along on a mere 175,000 dollars a year with only eight days off in a row each month.

[rudder]

In not too many years the AC EMB rate will join the AC CRJ rate as a historical footnote and little more.

As for WJ $340k...... Just wait until the new 1000 hour 365 day flying time limit kicks in. Lots of WJ T4's will take a significant hit.

Quoting numbers that do not stand the test of time as comparators is meaningless (as is selectively applying exchange rates).

Having said that, $175k for a 777 skipper is not a great deal.

[rigpiggy]

considering my buddy went over to fly a 37 in china for 235K, this is way to low