North America 737/320 Pay Round-up

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Multiple Federal Governments have made it clear that large airline pilot groups will never be allowed to strike again. And employers can now rely on arbitrators to effectively remove the opportunity for any significant gains.

AC is the gold standard because of rapid advancement. That will eventually taper off at the end of this hiring cycle. And the difference between WB pay/lifestyle and NB pay/lifestyle is significant. Effectively 2 different airlines (3 if you count Rouge).

Canada will never catch up to the US. Different bargaining environment. Different pilot supply side issues. No SWG or AT pilot making $200/hr is going on strike to improve the chances of an AC pilot getting a raise from an arbitrator.

We are all trapped in a system with unwritten limitations. And so long as the CTA keeps handing out licences for new LCC/ULCC carriers, the drag on pilot pay will remain.
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What are the implications of an illegal strike? Government orders pilots back to work and nobody obeys? Can't arrest/fire every single pilot.
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goingnowherefast wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:33 am What are the implications of an illegal strike? Government orders pilots back to work and nobody obeys? Can't arrest/fire every single pilot.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1989_Au ... 27_dispute
A few days earlier, Labor Prime Minister Bob Hawke declared a national emergency and allowed Royal Australian Air Force planes and pilots and overseas aircraft and pilots to provide services.[1] The RAAF provided limited domestic air services to ease the impact of the strike. The employers recruited new pilots from overseas, and for a while, some overseas airlines operated charter 737 and 757 aircraft on east coast routes, and travel between Perth and Sydney was via Singapore, using international flights. The dispute was superficially resolved after the mass resignation of a significant number of domestic airline pilots to avoid litigation from the employers.
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goingnowherefast wrote: Wed Feb 13, 2019 4:33 am What are the implications of an illegal strike? Government orders pilots back to work and nobody obeys? Can't arrest/fire every single pilot.
Fine the union until the union directs pilots to go back to work.
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rudder wrote: Tue Feb 12, 2019 7:13 am Multiple Federal Governments have made it clear that large airline pilot groups will never be allowed to strike again. And employers can now rely on arbitrators to effectively remove the opportunity for any significant gains.

AC is the gold standard because of rapid advancement. That will eventually taper off at the end of this hiring cycle. And the difference between WB pay/lifestyle and NB pay/lifestyle is significant. Effectively 2 different airlines (3 if you count Rouge).

Canada will never catch up to the US. Different bargaining environment. Different pilot supply side issues. No SWG or AT pilot making $200/hr is going on strike to improve the chances of an AC pilot getting a raise from an arbitrator.

We are all trapped in a system with unwritten limitations. And so long as the CTA keeps handing out licences for new LCC/ULCC carriers, the drag on pilot pay will remain.
The puppy mills in Canada are working overtime to supply the demand. If they run short , the government could open the door to more foreign pilots. Canada has always had way too many pilots and companies have taken advantage of the situation.
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To add additional context to compensation, its worth looking at the benifets side of the paystub. You may have a lower hourly rate but higher net if the benifets are employer provided. At westjet I have 18 deductions It's equal to a good car payment, and our benifets are sub par.
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Certainly advocate more pay, not less, so consider that before pulling the trigger.

Of the two former Canadians I know who are now Americans and never looked back, one inside aviation and one elsewhere, both make substantially more than an equivalent Canadian. So I am guessing that comparing apples to apples, most Americans have a higher income than the equivalent Canadian. The working poor is another story, they would be better off in Canada.
I think that has a huge impact on employer revenues, Americans have more to spend, so that in turn has an impact on salaries.
It's not the same country, making it a bit harder to make comparisons.
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