Re: Which Canadian Airlines expect their Flight Deck Crew to also be Cabin Groomers?
Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:10 am
I'll clean the plane in the back when the Groomers / FAs come in the flight deck and take care of that MEL for me.
ExactlyHansDietrich wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 8:10 am I'll clean the plane in the back when the Groomers / FAs come in the flight deck and take care of that MEL for me.
I am truly perplexed about what exactly are the requirements to be a professional pilot.I couldn’t care less what the lackey WJ pilots do but spare yourself the embarrassment of thinking that grooming is a professional pilots duty.
Let's just pray that the union does right by the cabin crew and soon they will have groomers.pianokeys wrote: ↑Sun Oct 21, 2018 3:28 am Oh Jesus here we go with the sarcastic "I hope no one demeans a pilot by making them clean" etc comments... I cant wait for a WS crew member to ask me to clean after I deadhead because Ive been saving the "Im not doing that, my airline pays people to do this." line for a year now.
It has nothing to do with ranking or grandiose attitudes, bottom line is your taking a job away from someone else because your airline is too cheap to hire a proper ground crew and instead sells it as "One in, all in! Were a team and a family! Everyone helps!" propaganda.
Side note, youd think now that WS is no longer a LCC/ULCC, and instead legacy carrier because theyre going international with widebody aircraft and two classes they would finally have the money to hire a groom crew... Nope, too cheap. Sell it as "team building" so everyone buys in to it.
Could that be because the requirements to be a pilot are so low there is always a glut of licensed pilots looking for that first job?Actually making it to and past that illusive first job
One could argue that airlines charging for ratings is academic as well until all airlines start doing it.
That is true.One could argue that airlines charging for ratings is academic as well until all airlines start doing it.
Or maybe pay to fly like in other parts of the world god forbid. They all started with just one company doing it.
Easy? Maybe for you? I got a degree and worked as an engineer for many years. Getting my license, building my hours and working my way up took considerably longer, more money, harder to get jobs and even more elbow grease at the beginning, not to mention far more fuatratingC.W.E. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:03 pmThat is true.One could argue that airlines charging for ratings is academic as well until all airlines start doing it.
Or maybe pay to fly like in other parts of the world god forbid. They all started with just one company doing it.
However the choice to do any of these things still rests with the individual.
It is driven by supply and demand.
As long as becoming a professional pilot remains so easy it is unlikely things will change.
It was easy because I really enjoyed getting the license and never considered it anything except fun.Easy? Maybe for you? I got a degree and worked as an engineer for many years.
As I have already said it took me a long time and a lot of hard work to get the licenses at the start of my career but once I had the license I had the right contact to get a job flying in the tobacco fields of Southern Ontario spraying tobacco which not only was my first real flying job but the best flying job I ever had.Getting my license, building my hours and working my way up took considerably longer, more money, harder to get jobs and even more elbow grease at the beginning, not to mention far more fuatrating
The only job I had outside of flying when I was young was driving trucks, which I did for years during the times the flying jobs were not available.I was paid far more in the office right from the star and I can tell you no one expected us to change the trash at the beginning of the day.
That's actually pretty funny. Thanks for the laugh.pianokeys wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 7:29 amBE02 Driver wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:27 amHating on other for going about their job in a different fashion is obtuse.
Absolutely bro in addition to that if the company is going thru though time i dont mind taking a pay cut as long as everybody else does but what we are seeing right now is the operators are making more profits for themselves on our back coz the fares are not going down.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:20 pm If you think that a 737 Captain or First Officer should clean planes, you need to travel a bit more and see the world. Get that 703 mentality or whatever PTSD you may be experiencing due to your previous abuse as a small time pilot and get in line with the rest of the world. Spare me the "What about paying for a type rating?" argument. No real airline (Lufthansa, KLM, BA, SAS, Swiss) will ask you to pay for the type rating.
PILOTS SHOULD NOT CLEAN PLANES, EXCEPT THE AREA WHERE THEY WORKED.... (Your cockpit seat)
. it's not 1956 anymore.C.W.E. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:39 pm I would like to reply to this by giving my experience in becoming a pilot.
It was easy because I really enjoyed getting the license and never considered it anything except fun.Easy? Maybe for you? I got a degree and worked as an engineer for many years.
When I started my education level was grade eight and I was driving a delivery truck for a living and also to pay for my training, however I did work at the flying school as a mechanics helper in exchange for flying time and in the end fixing them was more rewarding than flying them and it still is.As I have already said it took me a long time and a lot of hard work to get the licenses at the start of my career but once I had the license I had the right contact to get a job flying in the tobacco fields of Southern Ontario spraying tobacco which not only was my first real flying job but the best flying job I ever had.Getting my license, building my hours and working my way up took considerably longer, more money, harder to get jobs and even more elbow grease at the beginning, not to mention far more fuatrating
The only job I had outside of flying when I was young was driving trucks, which I did for years during the times the flying jobs were not available.I was paid far more in the office right from the star and I can tell you no one expected us to change the trash at the beginning of the day.
As to pay I never had to work for poor pay because I only flew in specialised fields that payed reasonably well.
Bottom line was becoming a pilot was not all that hard to get into especially for someone like me who had limited formal education.
Which let's be honest never happens. Pilots are disgusting and I always spend a few min disinfecting the flight deck when I take a new tail.HansDietrich wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:20 pm
PILOTS SHOULD NOT CLEAN PLANES, EXCEPT THE AREA WHERE THEY WORKED.... (Your cockpit seat)
Lightchop wrote: ↑Wed Oct 24, 2018 10:27 am. it's not 1956 anymore.C.W.E. wrote: ↑Tue Oct 23, 2018 6:39 pm I would like to reply to this by giving my experience in becoming a pilot.
It was easy because I really enjoyed getting the license and never considered it anything except fun.Easy? Maybe for you? I got a degree and worked as an engineer for many years.
When I started my education level was grade eight and I was driving a delivery truck for a living and also to pay for my training, however I did work at the flying school as a mechanics helper in exchange for flying time and in the end fixing them was more rewarding than flying them and it still is.As I have already said it took me a long time and a lot of hard work to get the licenses at the start of my career but once I had the license I had the right contact to get a job flying in the tobacco fields of Southern Ontario spraying tobacco which not only was my first real flying job but the best flying job I ever had.Getting my license, building my hours and working my way up took considerably longer, more money, harder to get jobs and even more elbow grease at the beginning, not to mention far more fuatrating
The only job I had outside of flying when I was young was driving trucks, which I did for years during the times the flying jobs were not available.I was paid far more in the office right from the star and I can tell you no one expected us to change the trash at the beginning of the day.
As to pay I never had to work for poor pay because I only flew in specialised fields that payed reasonably well.
Bottom line was becoming a pilot was not all that hard to get into especially for someone like me who had limited formal education.
I was relating how I started flying and I am aware it in not 1956 anymore.. it's not 1956 anymore.