The situation at BA sounds a lot like what's happening here. There is no shortage of wage complaints on this forum. It seems like the BA pilots are doing something about it!

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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... lot-strike

This would never happen in Canuckistan. Pilots will never stick together, and even if they did, the government would step in.

We will never be allowed to strike here. Peoples weekend getaways and all-inclusives to Pukeacana are an essential service.

Correct. The Canadian govt would label it an essential service and force arbitration ...

This isn’t a “would” situation. This already happened. FOS. No grey area here.

You’d think with all the Union dues paid, the union Lawyers would be able to mount a Constitutional challenge to being denied the right to take labour action.

Even the time it takes to legislate the union back to work will achieve, at least, part of the aim. And what happens if the union doesn’t go back to work after being told to do so? Are they going to arrest all the people picketing? I imagine that would be politically difficult.

But at the end of it public opinion will dictate the outcome and I can’t imagine the traveling public will side with the pilots that “ruined their vacation”...

Wait, why are union dues so high? Isn’t that money to cover strike pay?

I don’t get it...

Freeport_Flyer wrote: ↑Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:00 pm
if the union doesn’t go back to work after being told to do so? Are they going to arrest all the people picketing?

They'll sue the pilots, garnishee wages,take their assets, houses, etc....go for it!

Maybe we're all just to cynical about the past. Call up our union leaders and make our thoughts clear.

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BA just took away the pilot's employee flight benefits for the next 3 years. That would seriously suck if you are a commuter. If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.

Daniel Cooper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.

I don't think that the airlines in Canada would be able to get away with it. If I recall correctly, removing someone's benefits is akin to reducing their pay, which is considered to be constructive dismissal.

plausiblyannonymous wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 am

Daniel Cooper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.

I don't think that the airlines in Canada would be able to get away with it. If I recall correctly, removing someone's benefits is akin to reducing their pay, which is considered to be constructive dismissal.

Once both sides are in a position of job action in Canada anything can be given / taken away. One example would be a company not paying for sick time when they previously did as that would be job action which can range from something mundane like that to a full lock out.

Daniel Cooper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am BA just took away the pilot's employee flight benefits for the next 3 years. That would seriously suck if you are a commuter. If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.

I'm not sure what the commuter ratio is for BA (I suspect it's large) but for the two majors in Canada it's roughly 40% of line pilots. So with anywhere from a full third to nearly half of your pilots using flight benefits to report to work, it's no longer a perk but an essential component of the operation. Hopefully BALPA calls their bluff for what it is and doesn't expend any capital trying to get it back. BA is just looking for leverage where they can.

Nah we don't learn. ACPA voted to allow unlimited narrowbody growth at B-scale wages during last reopener when the company is making record profits.

How can it be surprising...it seems ACPA's agenda is to protect the Old Boy's Club at the top.

I wonder how many times, "Don't worry guys, it won't affect you", has been said to the top 5%?

Air Canada pilots should seek BALPA representation.

plausiblyannonymous wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 8:35 am

Daniel Cooper wrote: ↑Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:57 am If they want them back they'll have to negotiate it along with their salary demands.

I don't think that the airlines in Canada would be able to get away with it. If I recall correctly, removing someone's benefits is akin to reducing their pay, which is considered to be constructive dismissal.

Travel privilege is not enshrined in the CBA. It is a privilege, not a contractually negotiated right. The company can, and has, changed the terms of their travel policy at a whim. I fully expect that this is just the company trying to pressure the group they are negotiating with and the three year ban will be lifted as soon as an agreement is reached. The real question is; how will this affect their pilots' enthusiasm to "help out" going forward. Will it be long term or will it be forgotten within 6 months like ACPA's collective anger after FOS.

The Thomas Cook pilots weren't happy with their wages either. Now the company is dead so they won't have to worry about a raise anymore.

tsgas wrote: ↑Mon Sep 23, 2019 9:54 am The Thomas Cook pilots weren't happy with their wages either. Now the company is dead so they won't have to worry about a raise anymore.

I really hope you aren't implying that pilots salary will make or break an airline.