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North Shore wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:57 pm
Yycjetdriver wrote: Sat Apr 04, 2020 11:16 pm Let’s all just be honest. If it was a good place to work they wouldn’t be throwing out DEC adds for type rated guys in times like these.
LAst time I checked, at least they're still working - unlike many of our comrades. I'm sure that most of us would rather have 100% of $130k than 100% of EI...
I'd take the EI you can have the bags under your eyes. That schedule filters down into every part of your life.
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RippleRock wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 3:48 pm Make the same as the CEO of what company?

You didn’t specify.
A well known Canadian Airline. But that's not important.

You were just about to tell us what a widebody skipper should be making.
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RippleRock wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:40 pm
telex wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:04 am
RippleRock wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:05 am The pay is garbage for a widebody Skip. That's less than 97k USD a year.
Since you know what the should not be can you enlighten us as to what the pay should be?

I want to be on the right side of the law when the avcanada salary police knock on my door.
You're joking right?
Times haven't gotten tough enough yet? Hopefully they never do.

1>0. The real minimum wage is Zero.
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When a wide body Skipper position is paying slightly more than —half— the Canadian industry standard.........that’s a garbage wage.

Don’t even try to compare it to US cargo carriers cuz it’s 40% worse than half of garbage.

There comes a financial break point where the responsibility, cost of attaining the position and keeping it doesn’t make financial sense.

Yes, these are extraordinary times, but they don’t justify poor compensation. To do so gauges ones self worth.

I’m entitled to my opinion.
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RippleRock wrote: Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:56 pm When a wide body Skipper position is paying slightly more than —half— the Canadian industry standard.........that’s a garbage wage.

Don’t even try to compare it to US cargo carriers cuz it’s 40% worse than half of garbage.

There comes a financial break point where the responsibility, cost of attaining the position and keeping it doesn’t make financial sense.

Yes, these are extraordinary times, but they don’t justify poor compensation. To do so gauges ones self worth.

I’m entitled to my opinion.
Please define "Canadian industry standard".

Don't even try to compare it to US cargo carriers. But yet you did?

And please, tell us what you expect as a minimum salary for a widebody skipper in Canada.

How many times do I need to ask the same question?

When do you think the Cargojet pay scale came into effect? Before or after the extraordinary times?

Yes, you certainly do appear to be entitled.

You can apply for CERB today.
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Must be a union thing, but why does it matter if it is WB or NB? Is a WB Jet harder to fly, requires more piloting skillz?

Can’t be a responsibility of passengers thing - since Cargo Jet WBs carry zero PAX.
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SAR_YQQ wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:58 am Must be a union thing, but why does it matter if it is WB or NB? Is a WB Jet harder to fly, requires more piloting skillz?

Can’t be a responsibility of passengers thing - since Cargo Jet WBs carry zero PAX.
Productivity.

How much more do you carry on in a 767 vs. a 727. How much faster and further do you carry it.
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CJ pay rate applies to both 757 and 767.

CJ starting FO pay well above what AC (or anybody else) pays.

CJ top scale CA rate around $200k.

Work schedule 14 days in a 30 day month and 15 in a 31 day month.

Far from perfect but CJ is in a different segment of the industry. Not sure that Morningstar is close to this. Morningstar pilots also in the process of voting on switch from UNIFOR to ALPA representation. CJ pilots are UNIFOR.
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Look Junior (Telex), go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com and look for yourself. If you haven't checked out the pay scales yet, you have no idea what you're even asking.

Why not compare worldwide compensation? Its the same job. Are Americans worth more than Canadians? Are they better than you? Should we have fewer dollars in our pockets after the taxman hits? Should our self worth be considerably less because we live north of the 49th parallel?

On what basis are you justifying -significantly lower- compensation?

Time for you to answer a few questions.
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RippleRock wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:37 am Look Junior (Telex), go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com and look for yourself. If you haven't checked out the pay scales yet, you have no idea what you're even asking.

Why not compare worldwide compensation? Its the same job. Are Americans worth more than Canadians? Are they better than you? Should we have fewer dollars in our pockets after the taxman hits? Should our self worth be considerably less because we live north of the 49th parallel?

On what basis are you justifying -significantly lower- compensation?

Time for you to answer a few questions.
I'm not justifying lower compensation. I never even suggested it. But you have determined that is my position.

So, same question.

What do you consider minimum salary for a widebody skipper in Canada?
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I wonder how many they need to hire? Did anyone get offered a position? I saw they mentioned a start date of today in the ad.
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RippleRock, the flaw in your thinking is that it's based on self-righteousness. You value a socialist system when it comes to a pilot wage standard, but despise it when it comes to taxation ("socialist Liberal handout"). You can't hold these two opposing ideas simultaneously except if by doing so, you stand to benefit.
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SAR_YQQ wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 12:58 am Must be a union thing, but why does it matter if it is WB or NB? Is a WB Jet harder to fly, requires more piloting skillz?

Can’t be a responsibility of passengers thing - since Cargo Jet WBs carry zero PAX.
The WB is way harder to fly; takes twice as much muscle to flare since the plane is heavier.
mad skillzzzzz
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To be fair, the senior guys at cargojet do quite well for themselves. Hence the low starting pay for new captains.

The last negotiating committee along with the unifor rep, strong armed the last agreement though where a good chunk of the membership didn't get a chance to vote as they were on the road working or on vacation. 3 days of voting will do that.

So now senior guys are making 200k, fly maybe 40 hours a month, spend a lot less time on the road ( 15 days of work but the 2255 check ins and 0045 finish times make that a breeze), easy flying ( day flying) get all the overtime they they want or available if money is the target where senior captains are
pulling in 300k, Fos 150-200k.

So not that bad for a wide body skipper, if your senior 😉
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Picesprick wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:06 pm To be fair, the senior guys at cargojet do quite well for themselves. Hence the low starting pay for new captains.

The last negotiating committee along with the unifor rep, strong armed the last agreement though where a good chunk of the membership didn't get a chance to vote as they were on the road working or on vacation. 3 days of voting will do that.

So now senior guys are making 200k, fly maybe 40 hours a month, spend a lot less time on the road ( 15 days of work but the 2255 check ins and 0045 finish times make that a breeze), easy flying ( day flying) get all the overtime they they want or available if money is the target where senior captains are
pulling in 300k, Fos 150-200k.

So not that bad for a wide body skipper, if your senior 😉
Could just be a smart bet on the companies part. Dangle the carrot for high pay once you become senior so you can under pay “junior” captains. Then they may hope that before they have to dish out the bigger bucks the night flying takes it toll.
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Yycjetdriver wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:20 pm
Picesprick wrote: Mon Apr 06, 2020 8:06 pm To be fair, the senior guys at cargojet do quite well for themselves. Hence the low starting pay for new captains.

The last negotiating committee along with the unifor rep, strong armed the last agreement though where a good chunk of the membership didn't get a chance to vote as they were on the road working or on vacation. 3 days of voting will do that.

So now senior guys are making 200k, fly maybe 40 hours a month, spend a lot less time on the road ( 15 days of work but the 2255 check ins and 0045 finish times make that a breeze), easy flying ( day flying) get all the overtime they they want or available if money is the target where senior captains are
pulling in 300k, Fos 150-200k.

So not that bad for a wide body skipper, if your senior 😉
Could just be a smart bet on the companies part. Dangle the carrot for high pay once you become senior so you can under pay “junior” captains. Then they may hope that before they have to dish out the bigger bucks the night flying takes it toll.
There certainly seems to be some truth to that unfortunately.
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Hey everyone!
Kind of a random question but I'm hoping you can shed some light.
I see many pilot jobs that will send you all over the country and you're far from your base for a few days.
Is there such a job (FO or captain) in this industry where you're home everyday with a decent schedule?
Or does the entire industry requires you to have garbage sleep patterns?

Thanks in advance for your replies!
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Kind of a troll-like question, but here goes: I am only going to comment on my own experiences. People fly because it is too far to walk. Most flying jobs involve some kind of travel - sometimes 1/2 hour away from home base, other times a time zone or two away. I have never had a schedule; when the boss says GO! I said YESSSSS!. Sometimes you get home every night, but it is not 9 - 5, M - F, anywhere I know of, instructing excepted. I always slept well, but apart from the job, I was good at keeping myself busy. Home is wherever you end up. You need to be adaptable, no matter where you end up working, but that probably should go for any job. For myself, I was never bored, not one single hour.
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Does anyone know if Cargojet is still considering FOs without a 767 type rating or are only guys with type ratings getting interview calls? Thanks
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Ash Ketchum wrote: Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:12 am Does anyone know if Cargojet is still considering FOs without a 767 type rating or are only guys with type ratings getting interview calls? Thanks
I don’t know for sure but my assumption would be only the rated folks at the moment. There’s probably lots who are qualified and the current posting implies they want rated people only.
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