Cargojet stll hiring

[SAR_YQQ]

Must be a union thing, but why does it matter if it is WB or NB? Is a WB Jet harder to fly, requires more piloting skillz?

Can’t be a responsibility of passengers thing - since Cargo Jet WBs carry zero PAX.

[altiplano]

Must be a union thing, but why does it matter if it is WB or NB? Is a WB Jet harder to fly, requires more piloting skillz?

Can’t be a responsibility of passengers thing - since Cargo Jet WBs carry zero PAX.

Productivity.

How much more do you carry on in a 767 vs. a 727. How much faster and further do you carry it.

[rudder]

CJ pay rate applies to both 757 and 767.

CJ starting FO pay well above what AC (or anybody else) pays.

CJ top scale CA rate around $200k.

Work schedule 14 days in a 30 day month and 15 in a 31 day month.

Far from perfect but CJ is in a different segment of the industry. Not sure that Morningstar is close to this. Morningstar pilots also in the process of voting on switch from UNIFOR to ALPA representation. CJ pilots are UNIFOR.

[RippleRock]

Look Junior (Telex), go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com and look for yourself. If you haven't checked out the pay scales yet, you have no idea what you're even asking.

Why not compare worldwide compensation? Its the same job. Are Americans worth more than Canadians? Are they better than you? Should we have fewer dollars in our pockets after the taxman hits? Should our self worth be considerably less because we live north of the 49th parallel?

On what basis are you justifying -significantly lower- compensation?

Time for you to answer a few questions.

[telex]

Look Junior (Telex), go to www.airlinepilotcentral.com and look for yourself. If you haven't checked out the pay scales yet, you have no idea what you're even asking.

Why not compare worldwide compensation? Its the same job. Are Americans worth more than Canadians? Are they better than you? Should we have fewer dollars in our pockets after the taxman hits? Should our self worth be considerably less because we live north of the 49th parallel?

On what basis are you justifying -significantly lower- compensation?

Time for you to answer a few questions.

I'm not justifying lower compensation. I never even suggested it. But you have determined that is my position.

So, same question.

What do you consider minimum salary for a widebody skipper in Canada?

[Zanzibar]

I wonder how many they need to hire? Did anyone get offered a position? I saw they mentioned a start date of today in the ad.

[CFM Symphony]

RippleRock, the flaw in your thinking is that it's based on self-righteousness. You value a socialist system when it comes to a pilot wage standard, but despise it when it comes to taxation ("socialist Liberal handout"). You can't hold these two opposing ideas simultaneously except if by doing so, you stand to benefit.

[doiwannabeapilot]

Must be a union thing, but why does it matter if it is WB or NB? Is a WB Jet harder to fly, requires more piloting skillz?

Can’t be a responsibility of passengers thing - since Cargo Jet WBs carry zero PAX.

The WB is way harder to fly; takes twice as much muscle to flare since the plane is heavier.
mad skillzzzzz

[Picesprick]

To be fair, the senior guys at cargojet do quite well for themselves. Hence the low starting pay for new captains.

The last negotiating committee along with the unifor rep, strong armed the last agreement though where a good chunk of the membership didn't get a chance to vote as they were on the road working or on vacation. 3 days of voting will do that.

So now senior guys are making 200k, fly maybe 40 hours a month, spend a lot less time on the road ( 15 days of work but the 2255 check ins and 0045 finish times make that a breeze), easy flying ( day flying) get all the overtime they they want or available if money is the target where senior captains are
pulling in 300k, Fos 150-200k.

So not that bad for a wide body skipper, if your senior

[Yycjetdriver]

To be fair, the senior guys at cargojet do quite well for themselves. Hence the low starting pay for new captains.

The last negotiating committee along with the unifor rep, strong armed the last agreement though where a good chunk of the membership didn't get a chance to vote as they were on the road working or on vacation. 3 days of voting will do that.

So now senior guys are making 200k, fly maybe 40 hours a month, spend a lot less time on the road ( 15 days of work but the 2255 check ins and 0045 finish times make that a breeze), easy flying ( day flying) get all the overtime they they want or available if money is the target where senior captains are
pulling in 300k, Fos 150-200k.

So not that bad for a wide body skipper, if your senior

Could just be a smart bet on the companies part. Dangle the carrot for high pay once you become senior so you can under pay “junior” captains. Then they may hope that before they have to dish out the bigger bucks the night flying takes it toll.

[Picesprick]

To be fair, the senior guys at cargojet do quite well for themselves. Hence the low starting pay for new captains.

The last negotiating committee along with the unifor rep, strong armed the last agreement though where a good chunk of the membership didn't get a chance to vote as they were on the road working or on vacation. 3 days of voting will do that.

So now senior guys are making 200k, fly maybe 40 hours a month, spend a lot less time on the road ( 15 days of work but the 2255 check ins and 0045 finish times make that a breeze), easy flying ( day flying) get all the overtime they they want or available if money is the target where senior captains are
pulling in 300k, Fos 150-200k.

So not that bad for a wide body skipper, if your senior

Could just be a smart bet on the companies part. Dangle the carrot for high pay once you become senior so you can under pay “junior” captains. Then they may hope that before they have to dish out the bigger bucks the night flying takes it toll.

There certainly seems to be some truth to that unfortunately.

[Gabe_to]

Hey everyone!
Kind of a random question but I'm hoping you can shed some light.
I see many pilot jobs that will send you all over the country and you're far from your base for a few days.
Is there such a job (FO or captain) in this industry where you're home everyday with a decent schedule?
Or does the entire industry requires you to have garbage sleep patterns?

Thanks in advance for your replies!

[ayseven]

Kind of a troll-like question, but here goes: I am only going to comment on my own experiences. People fly because it is too far to walk. Most flying jobs involve some kind of travel - sometimes 1/2 hour away from home base, other times a time zone or two away. I have never had a schedule; when the boss says GO! I said YESSSSS!. Sometimes you get home every night, but it is not 9 - 5, M - F, anywhere I know of, instructing excepted. I always slept well, but apart from the job, I was good at keeping myself busy. Home is wherever you end up. You need to be adaptable, no matter where you end up working, but that probably should go for any job. For myself, I was never bored, not one single hour.

[Ash Ketchum]

Does anyone know if Cargojet is still considering FOs without a 767 type rating or are only guys with type ratings getting interview calls? Thanks

[Kaykay]

Does anyone know if Cargojet is still considering FOs without a 767 type rating or are only guys with type ratings getting interview calls? Thanks

I don’t know for sure but my assumption would be only the rated folks at the moment. There’s probably lots who are qualified and the current posting implies they want rated people only.

[Ash Ketchum]

Does anyone know if Cargojet is still considering FOs without a 767 type rating or are only guys with type ratings getting interview calls? Thanks

I don’t know for sure but my assumption would be only the rated folks at the moment. There’s probably lots who are qualified and the current posting implies they want rated people only.

That's, what I'm thinking too, not many other options out there for all the laid off airline guys at the moment.

[complexintentions]

When a wide body Skipper position is paying slightly more than —half— the Canadian industry standard.........that’s a garbage wage.

Don’t even try to compare it to US cargo carriers cuz it’s 40% worse than half of garbage.

There comes a financial break point where the responsibility, cost of attaining the position and keeping it doesn’t make financial sense.

Yes, these are extraordinary times, but they don’t justify poor compensation. To do so gauges ones self worth.

I’m entitled to my opinion.

The amusing part is the ones pissing on the job and wage generally don't have the rating or anywhere near the experience to remotely qualify for a DEC widebody position.

Yet, aren't shy to state how it isn't enough for them. Good for you, holding out for the big bucks!

[NotDirty!]

The amusing part is the ones pissing on the job and wage generally don't have the rating or anywhere near the experience to remotely qualify for a DEC widebody position.

Yet, aren't shy to state how it isn't enough for them. Good for you, holding out for the big bucks!

I don’t think it’s necessarily bad from an academic perspective to criticize wages. I may not be qualified for said position, but I have an idea of what an appropriate salary is.

Improved wages and working conditions at any company help all of us. I believe that the pilots at my company are worth more than we are paid, but as the overall pay scale is better than most other equivalent Canadian operators, it is difficult to make gains.

People often point to the much better wages south of the border. These came about because each pilot group fought to match or beat the competition’s pay scale.

At a previous company, I worked to make real improvements for the wages for the junior pilots; it didn’t improve my career, but it had a positive impact on the newer pilots, the company, and the industry as a whole. That should be the goal of every pilot!

[ayseven]

Wages: companies pay what they can, to get and retain the best people they can. Costs for non-type rated people are very high, hence the low (ish) starting wage - they have to make the money back before they can give it to you. I would assume fairly small profit margins for places that demand training bonds. And later on, the more money the airplane makes for the carrier, the better the pay - size is often part of the equation but not always. Air Canada, and every other carrier in the world does this. One way or another, they have to make money on you before you can get any money from them. It is just simple business math. I always thought this was obvious.

[Zanzibar]

As of this morning they are still looking for type rated only from the HR lady.