AC pilot salaries now?

[montado]

Anyone whining that 180k is too much doesn't get it... and hasn't seen the tax bill, let alone that of the guys at 300K.

Actually everyone knows what the tax bill is because the 300k a year pilot pays the exact same taxes as the 60k a year pilot on the first 60k of income.

Funny how people complain about taxes when it's sliced the same way for everyone.

What about the other 240K. What are you saying?

The pilot with 60k a year income doesn't pay taxes on income they done make. They just pay the same taxes that the 300k a year pilot made on their first 60k of income.

If you make more money, you pay more taxes. Is this not how it should be? If you want to pay less taxes, feel free to distribute some of your wealth to the lower income earners. Thousands of the lower income earners would love to earn more income and pay more taxes.

[Hangry]

Actually everyone knows what the tax bill is because the 300k a year pilot pays the exact same taxes as the 60k a year pilot on the first 60k of income.

Funny how people complain about taxes when it's sliced the same way for everyone.

What about the other 240K. What are you saying?

The pilot with 60k a year income doesn't pay taxes on income they done make. They just pay the same taxes that the 300k a year pilot made on their first 60k of income.

If you make more money, you pay more taxes. Is this not how it should be? If you want to pay less taxes, feel free to distribute some of your wealth to the lower income earners. Thousands of the lower income earners would love to earn more income and pay more taxes.

So taxes aren’t the same for everyone. Not even close.

The ceiling should be 60k???

WHAT ARE YOU SAYING???

Edit....who cares. This is by far the stupidest thread I’ve commented on.

[trey kule]

I think he is trying to explain that he really does not know how tax rates in Canada works.

Simply put. If you make 60k a year you will take home about 40k.You can reduce that further by maximizing a registered pension contribution.

If you make 5x that amount (300k), you will not be taking home 5x as much. About 3.5x as much. Why. Because taxes increase on higher amounts up to 52%. And the ability to use a tax deferral scheme like an RRSP is also limited.

Compare that to other tax jurisdictions. Some with literally no payroll taxes. Others with 5-15%.

Montado. You seem to be as informed on taxes as I would expect someone to be in their early twenties. Socialism and wealth distribution is a slippery slope,

Btw. The take home vs gross pay were for illustration and not accuracy

[altiplano]

Actually everyone knows what the tax bill is because the 300k a year pilot pays the exact same taxes as the 60k a year pilot on the first 60k of income.

Funny how people complain about taxes when it's sliced the same way for everyone.

What about the other 240K. What are you saying?

The pilot with 60k a year income doesn't pay taxes on income they done make. They just pay the same taxes that the 300k a year pilot made on their first 60k of income.

If you make more money, you pay more taxes. Is this not how it should be? If you want to pay less taxes, feel free to distribute some of your wealth to the lower income earners. Thousands of the lower income earners would love to earn more income and pay more taxes.

I'm not sure if you're just being obtuse or don't understand?

There's a progressive tax rate in this country. You don't pay the same taxes on the first 60K as the next 60K.

Also, the less income you make the more you get back in various government handouts. In fact 40% of Canadian household get back more than, or as much as they pay so in effect pay no income tax at all.

20% of Canadian households are paying 70% of the taxes. 10% are paying 54% of the taxes. And the sad thing is, that most of those aren't the real rich people who are able to structure, shelter, and distribute their earnings through various schemes like paying dividends and family members. They are just middle class and upper middle class folks with decent jobs and all that tax comes off at source and redistributes to the above mentioned 40% of Canadians.

[ayseven]

The part that gets me, is that because you happen to have a few good years, the government assumes you must always and forever be making good bucks. Most careers don't work like government employees, where once in, always in. Business goes up and down. This is why you see stories of people getting taxed at 100%, because the government is trying to get back what you - inadvertently or not - did not pay in previous years, even though your income now may be a small fraction of what it was. Basically, progressive tax means you pay MORE than MORE, if that makes sense. The system disincentives a bigger salary or income. That does not seem very good to me. Now, if you turn that big salary into millions, you are dealing with people who cannot possibly put that money back into the economy to live like kings, and they should be taxed accordingly.

The easy solution is to make lots, retire as soon as you can, and live off less. Fun, eh?

[montado]

I know how our tax system works. I just find it hilarious how higher income earners complain about it. They try to make it sound unfair. They say "we pay more taxes" and while yes you pay more, you pay the same taxes on the same income earned. You pay the same taxes on your first 60k as the 60k income person makes.

I think it's just stupid to chime in about pilot pay, take the highest earners and try to make some arguments that the lower wage people of the world should be empathetic to the higher wage earners tax rates. Why was taxes even brought up? Its not like pilots are disproportionately taxed.

[ayseven]

Fair is what you pay to get on the airplane. It is nice to see benefit from a higher income. I don't think anybody can argue that. Is making people who make more, more unhappy, going to help lower income people? We know that answer. If you want to make more money, the solution is pretty simple: do what I did and get out of aviation for as long as it takes to make money.

[Daniel Cooper]

Isn't it fare?

[ayseven]

Yes, technically. But I think sic applies.

[altiplano]

I know how our tax system works. I just find it hilarious how higher income earners complain about it. They try to make it sound unfair. They say "we pay more taxes" and while yes you pay more, you pay the same taxes on the same income earned. You pay the same taxes on your first 60k as the 60k income person makes.

I think it's just stupid to chime in about pilot pay, take the highest earners and try to make some arguments that the lower wage people of the world should be empathetic to the higher wage earners tax rates. Why was taxes even brought up? Its not like pilots are disproportionately taxed.

I'm not complaining about the tax system. I'm pointing out that you don't really take home that much more when it's all said and done and people don't seem to realize it.

[montado]

60k income takes home 46k in Ontario
300k income takes home 174265 or about 4x as much take home. When gross was 5x.

And if you make 301k you take home about 500 more than the guy who made 300k.

I'd say, making more money is clearly pretty damn good. Even with our taxes we have very little to complain about.

I wonder what people would think if they heard CR complain about how much tax he pays. Someone making 300k a year complaining about the taxes they pay vs the 60k a year person is like CR complaining about how much taxes he pays vs the 300k captain.

Yawn...

[alkaseltzer]

Hi guys, curious what a 20 year plus 787 pilot is making now and if any had to drop down to a smaller airplane? I’m assuming the pilots are sharing the time so there are minimum layoffs .
Thanks again

Jazz pilots are on a trajectory to earn more than AC pilots over the next 5 years.

[genetic jack hammer]

Hi guys, curious what a 20 year plus 787 pilot is making now and if any had to drop down to a smaller airplane? I’m assuming the pilots are sharing the time so there are minimum layoffs .
Thanks again

Jazz pilots are on a trajectory to earn more than AC pilots over the next 5 years.

Hmmmm...very interesting. Maybe CaptainKirk knew something that we didn't, when he made that video about the captains pay at the regional level.

[mbav8r]

Hi guys, curious what a 20 year plus 787 pilot is making now and if any had to drop down to a smaller airplane? I’m assuming the pilots are sharing the time so there are minimum layoffs .
Thanks again

Jazz pilots are on a trajectory to earn more than AC pilots over the next 5 years.

As a Jazz pilot(Captain), I would like to see the math on that, not really sure how you arrived at that

['97 Tercel]

Quite simple really....

[hithere]

Hi guys, curious what a 20 year plus 787 pilot is making now and if any had to drop down to a smaller airplane? I’m assuming the pilots are sharing the time so there are minimum layoffs .
Thanks again

Jazz pilots are on a trajectory to earn more than AC pilots over the next 5 years.

Likewise I am a senior Jazz Captain and I have absolutely no idea what the hell you are talking about

[goingnowherefast]

@55h a 787capt is pulling only about 15500/month.... Was about 22500 at 80h

And then you folks all wonder why nobody listens to the crybaby pilots whining about poor wages...

Instead of complaining and bitching that others make more, maybe be happy for them and work towards improving your own pay. Dragging other's down and bad mouthing their pay is now we ended up in the pilot pay gutter.

[altiplano]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality

[ayseven]

This argument has gone on for as long as I can remember. People at the top of the pile (not management) making more, can only be a good thing for those under them on the pay scale. Jealousy is not a pleasant thing.

[alkaseltzer]

Hi guys, curious what a 20 year plus 787 pilot is making now and if any had to drop down to a smaller airplane? I’m assuming the pilots are sharing the time so there are minimum layoffs .
Thanks again

Jazz pilots are on a trajectory to earn more than AC pilots over the next 5 years.

As a Jazz pilot(Captain), I would like to see the math on that, not really sure how you arrived at that

Let me clarify. I mean flat pay guys. Not your mid-seniority captain that is sitting on his porch in his Muskoka cottage making $10-15k+ per month to enjoy their beer. Not earning, but making.

But it's not about the seniors (for once).

For starters, Jazz guys will get CEWS for the duration of the program. AC refuses to.

People were told that it was a lottery to get into AC, yet the bottom guys aren't getting afforded basic decency of continuing the CEWS. Maybe they don't need any benefits, but CEWS goes a lot farther for families than CERB. Many of them took paycuts to get to AC, but now a few have resorted to DoorDash to supplement their income. I'm sure the beggars around the major intersections in Toronto are earning way more.

So while this pandemic unfolds and recovery occurs over the next few years, Jazz and Jazz ALPA seems to want to do right by their guys. Good on them. Same for the other airlines in Canada.

As for AC guys, it's crickets. Not a word. Yet. As of today. Less than two weeks to go to the end of the month and one can imagine the stress of many families from a failed cooperation between company and union.

Think Trudeau will put the brakes on the CEWS by the end of August? Think again. Will be till next February at the earliest. ALPA would reasonably do their part to extend this for everyone. Their actions speak louder than words. But as of today, AC families stay in limbo.

The common decency to the ones who worked their career to arrive at AC, has not been extended. Simple arithmetic would tell you that every other pilot on CEWS in Canada will take home more than the furloughed pilots at AC, probably at least $500 more than CERB. So hopefully the previous posters can see what I'm getting at.

How does that feel being treated?

Jazz/ALPA 1 - AC/ACPA - 0

I wonder if a cardboard cutout of "AC Pilot needs to feed family" would earn an extra 50 cents, for a beggar at Airport/Derry Road. Imagine that hitting CBC. Guess what, it's at zero cost to the company, just like the wage subsidy with no benefits. That's all people are asking for.