Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..
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Re: Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..
We simply shouldn’t re-start airline operations beyond a minimum, therefore there’s no need to relax the rules or make exceptions during a pandemic.
VFR traffic (with apology to Air Transat and Sunwing) is simply non-essential.
Thanks to FaceTime, Skype, Cisco, and Zoom most work/visits can be easily accomplished on-line.
Yes, it goes without saying, no one likes that idea at all, including me. But it’s not about like or not like, it’s about what’s necessary during a pandemic until we have an effective vaccine. Listen to the experts.
Everyone of us in aviation wants things back to normal, as it was, right now. Poof!
This is crazy time. It’s simply not possible. So, why ask?
Mr. Dressup needs to dig into the Tickle Trunk and dig out some cashish for the industry before it’s too late. For some, it’s already too late. Let’s see who’s still around on Jan. 1st?
Gino Under
VFR traffic (with apology to Air Transat and Sunwing) is simply non-essential.
Thanks to FaceTime, Skype, Cisco, and Zoom most work/visits can be easily accomplished on-line.
Yes, it goes without saying, no one likes that idea at all, including me. But it’s not about like or not like, it’s about what’s necessary during a pandemic until we have an effective vaccine. Listen to the experts.
Everyone of us in aviation wants things back to normal, as it was, right now. Poof!
This is crazy time. It’s simply not possible. So, why ask?
Mr. Dressup needs to dig into the Tickle Trunk and dig out some cashish for the industry before it’s too late. For some, it’s already too late. Let’s see who’s still around on Jan. 1st?
Gino Under
"I'll tell you what's wrong with society. No one drinks from the skulls of their enemies!"
Re: Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..
It’s about what people want to do with their own life, not the ideology of brainwashed people basing their argument on the media reports or pseudo experts (would love to read a serious scientific report from an “expert”; could you please post the one you are refering?)But it’s not about like or not like, it’s about what’s necessary during a pandemic until we have an effective vaccine. Listen to the experts.
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Re: Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..
I understand where you’re coming from but I would like to point out that a vaccine may never come. It’s far from certain. I can’t find the article now but one expert who spent his entire career in vaccine development estimated there’s is about a 25-40% chance a vaccine is never found.Gino Under wrote: ↑Fri Jul 10, 2020 5:28 pm We simply shouldn’t re-start airline operations beyond a minimum, therefore there’s no need to relax the rules or make exceptions during a pandemic.
VFR traffic (with apology to Air Transat and Sunwing) is simply non-essential.
Thanks to FaceTime, Skype, Cisco, and Zoom most work/visits can be easily accomplished on-line.
Yes, it goes without saying, no one likes that idea at all, including me. But it’s not about like or not like, it’s about what’s necessary during a pandemic until we have an effective vaccine. Listen to the experts.
Everyone of us in aviation wants things back to normal, as it was, right now. Poof!
This is crazy time. It’s simply not possible. So, why ask?
Mr. Dressup needs to dig into the Tickle Trunk and dig out some cashish for the industry before it’s too late. For some, it’s already too late. Let’s see who’s still around on Jan. 1st?
Gino Under
Re: Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..
The difference in air traffic on flight aware is almost a perfect ratio of the difference in spread of this new disease. The precise algorithms required for a good statistical analysis would make good reading . Ball parking the visuals on flight aware the difference between Canada and the US is noticable . Might just worth looking at the actual pax loads and how it relates to the spread in real time . Coincidence or good planning by the evil bastards that released this ?
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Re: Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..
Agreed.
They may never find a vaccine. Nothing so far for AIDS after what? 30 some odd years.
But, they’re likely to similarly find effective treatment for CV19 with medications.
Also, when Delta removes a large number of aircraft from their fleet, a 60% load factor can be misleading.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-to- ... operation/
I’d still like to see some government funding for our airlines before it’s too late.
For some Canadian airlines it’s already too late.
Gino
They may never find a vaccine. Nothing so far for AIDS after what? 30 some odd years.
But, they’re likely to similarly find effective treatment for CV19 with medications.
Also, when Delta removes a large number of aircraft from their fleet, a 60% load factor can be misleading.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/delta-to- ... operation/
I’d still like to see some government funding for our airlines before it’s too late.
For some Canadian airlines it’s already too late.
Gino
"I'll tell you what's wrong with society. No one drinks from the skulls of their enemies!"
Re: Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/p ... d=msedgdhp
Why bother. I was going to go flying as a pax. One of the routes is on here. I don't need a two week quarantine. Plans cancelled. Vacation within driving distance instead. 5 hours is a pain but 2 weeks is worse.
Canadians who have recently traveled by plane, domestically or internationally, may want to check if they have been exposed to the novel coronavirus.
There have been 17 international flights and 14 domestic flights in July that have been flagged by the Canadian government for possible exposure to the virus.
Read more: International air travel to Canada continues to rise, despite coronavirus border restrictions
Passengers near the affected rows are considered close contact and may be at risk of exposure, the government said on its website.
Public health officials recommend that affected individuals self-isolate for 14 days and monitor symptoms. Passengers are also advised to contact their primary care provider if they're concerned they may have been exposed to COVID-19 or are experiencing symptoms.
The July flights include:
Domestic flights
July 9
Air Canada flight AC988, from Montreal to Ottawa
July 8
Air Canada flight AC311, from Montreal to Vancouver
July 7
Air Canada flight AC169, from Toronto to Edmonton
July 6
WestJet flight WJA296, from Calgary to Regina
July 5
Air Canada flight AC428, from Toronto to Montreal
Air Canada flight AC224, from Vancouver to Calgary
Air Canada flight AC422, from Toronto to Montreal
WestJet flight WJA3312, from Kelowna to Edmonton
July 4
Air Canada flight AC0407, from Montreal to Toronto
Air Canada flight AC7947, from Toronto to Regina
July 3
WestJet flight WS669, from Toronto to Calgary
July 2
Air Canada flight AC425, from Montreal to Toronto
July 1
Air Canada flight AC425, from Montreal to Toronto
International flights
July 9
Air Canada flight AC879, from Zurich to Toronto
United Airlines flight UA4958, from Washington to Toronto
July 7
American Airlines flight AA1638, from Charlotte to Toronto
United Airlines flight UA375, from San Francisco to Vancouver
WestJet flight WJA6357, from Minneapolis to Calgary
July 6
American Airlines flight AA2942, from Charlotte to Toronto
American Airlines flight AA1270, from Dallas to Vancouver
Ethiopian Airlines flight ET 500, from Addis Ababa to Toronto
Qatar Airlines flight 763, from Qatar to Montreal
WestJet flight WJA1511, from Los Angeles to Calgary
July 5
Air Canada flight AC1231, from Cancun to Toronto
Pakistan International Airlines flight PIA783, from Lahore to Toronto
July 3
Air Canada flight AC911, from Fort Lauderdale to Toronto
Pakistan International Airlines flight PK0781, from Islamabad to Toronto
Qatar Airways flight QR763, from Doha to Montreal
July 2
Air France flight AF342, from Paris to Montreal
American Airlines AA5700, from Charlotte to Toronto
For more details on the affected flight rows, click here.
The information on the federal's government's page says it is not entirely exhaustive and it is gathered through reports received from provincial and territorial health authorities, international health authorities and public websites.
The website is updated once a day and doesn't include information from flights before June 25.
WestJet told Global News in an email Wednesday the company is aware of the COVID-19 exposures on its aircraft and has taken a "layered approach to our safety measures which the risk of COVID-19 is mitigated."
The company also stated it notifies crew members if they were on exposed flights. It is up to the public health authority to notify passengers if they are at risk of exposure, the company added.
West Jet has a blog with updated information about flights that may have been exposed to the virus.
Air Canada did not respond before the time of publication.
Passengers travelling by plane to, from or within Canada have to have their temperature checked before boarding a flight in order to help prevent the spread of the virus.
The federal government still emphasizes that all non-essential travel outside of Canada must be avoided.
They’ve made it clear on their website that people deciding to travel during the pandemic could not only put themselves and others at risk for being infected with COVID-19, it could also result in them becoming stranded.
Why bother. I was going to go flying as a pax. One of the routes is on here. I don't need a two week quarantine. Plans cancelled. Vacation within driving distance instead. 5 hours is a pain but 2 weeks is worse.
Canadians who have recently traveled by plane, domestically or internationally, may want to check if they have been exposed to the novel coronavirus.
There have been 17 international flights and 14 domestic flights in July that have been flagged by the Canadian government for possible exposure to the virus.
Read more: International air travel to Canada continues to rise, despite coronavirus border restrictions
Passengers near the affected rows are considered close contact and may be at risk of exposure, the government said on its website.
Public health officials recommend that affected individuals self-isolate for 14 days and monitor symptoms. Passengers are also advised to contact their primary care provider if they're concerned they may have been exposed to COVID-19 or are experiencing symptoms.
The July flights include:
Domestic flights
July 9
Air Canada flight AC988, from Montreal to Ottawa
July 8
Air Canada flight AC311, from Montreal to Vancouver
July 7
Air Canada flight AC169, from Toronto to Edmonton
July 6
WestJet flight WJA296, from Calgary to Regina
July 5
Air Canada flight AC428, from Toronto to Montreal
Air Canada flight AC224, from Vancouver to Calgary
Air Canada flight AC422, from Toronto to Montreal
WestJet flight WJA3312, from Kelowna to Edmonton
July 4
Air Canada flight AC0407, from Montreal to Toronto
Air Canada flight AC7947, from Toronto to Regina
July 3
WestJet flight WS669, from Toronto to Calgary
July 2
Air Canada flight AC425, from Montreal to Toronto
July 1
Air Canada flight AC425, from Montreal to Toronto
International flights
July 9
Air Canada flight AC879, from Zurich to Toronto
United Airlines flight UA4958, from Washington to Toronto
July 7
American Airlines flight AA1638, from Charlotte to Toronto
United Airlines flight UA375, from San Francisco to Vancouver
WestJet flight WJA6357, from Minneapolis to Calgary
July 6
American Airlines flight AA2942, from Charlotte to Toronto
American Airlines flight AA1270, from Dallas to Vancouver
Ethiopian Airlines flight ET 500, from Addis Ababa to Toronto
Qatar Airlines flight 763, from Qatar to Montreal
WestJet flight WJA1511, from Los Angeles to Calgary
July 5
Air Canada flight AC1231, from Cancun to Toronto
Pakistan International Airlines flight PIA783, from Lahore to Toronto
July 3
Air Canada flight AC911, from Fort Lauderdale to Toronto
Pakistan International Airlines flight PK0781, from Islamabad to Toronto
Qatar Airways flight QR763, from Doha to Montreal
July 2
Air France flight AF342, from Paris to Montreal
American Airlines AA5700, from Charlotte to Toronto
For more details on the affected flight rows, click here.
The information on the federal's government's page says it is not entirely exhaustive and it is gathered through reports received from provincial and territorial health authorities, international health authorities and public websites.
The website is updated once a day and doesn't include information from flights before June 25.
WestJet told Global News in an email Wednesday the company is aware of the COVID-19 exposures on its aircraft and has taken a "layered approach to our safety measures which the risk of COVID-19 is mitigated."
The company also stated it notifies crew members if they were on exposed flights. It is up to the public health authority to notify passengers if they are at risk of exposure, the company added.
West Jet has a blog with updated information about flights that may have been exposed to the virus.
Air Canada did not respond before the time of publication.
Passengers travelling by plane to, from or within Canada have to have their temperature checked before boarding a flight in order to help prevent the spread of the virus.
The federal government still emphasizes that all non-essential travel outside of Canada must be avoided.
They’ve made it clear on their website that people deciding to travel during the pandemic could not only put themselves and others at risk for being infected with COVID-19, it could also result in them becoming stranded.
Re: Airlines ask MP’s to have COVID rules relaxed ..
Wouldn't the passengers arriving from international destinations be required to self isolate for two weeks on arrival regardless? Health officials in Montreal are so concerned about the spread of COVID19 that they're recommending that anyone who has been to a bar since July 1st get tested..but not isolate.
Since public health officials are keeping track of flights which have infected passengers on board, should they not be able to establish if transmission is taking place on board these flights and communicate that to the public?
Do you think PIA is getting ramped in YYZ?
Since public health officials are keeping track of flights which have infected passengers on board, should they not be able to establish if transmission is taking place on board these flights and communicate that to the public?
Do you think PIA is getting ramped in YYZ?