Science-Based Alternative to Ease Quarantine Act Restrictions

[Rockie]

Both very left leaning rags. Do you have any non bias or Center sources for the information you posted?
When I google it all I find is the CDC message at odds with the government and their message consistently put down. So this gives me the impression that the CDC is not taking talking points from Trump.

Look at the dates the CDC was at odds with the WH (May) and then look at the dates they suddenly weren't (June/July). If you bothered to read the article you'd find out what changed in that time. Left leaning in your world is anything not pegged at the extreme right edge and the WP is not a rag. Their reporting is fact checked and pretty much always turns out true despite claims of "fake news" from your camp. Facts are facts...you don't get to choose them.

['97 Tercel]

Their reporting is fact checked and pretty much always turns out true

...and 28% of the time all of us here are "pretty much always" right.

[Rockie]

Wouldn't that be an interesting exercise? You cite a time they were wrong, then I’ll cite a time they were right when the White House said they were fake news. See how far you get.

[Inverted2]

The WP is owned by Jeff Bezos who is making out like a bandit thanks to the Plandemic. The more Karen’s that stay home and shop online, the richer he gets. They will keep the fear going.

[Rockie]

Yeah I’ve heard this “plandemic” stuff before. Anyone who actually believes that nonsense is out of their f**king mind stupid.

[2R]

A weatherman and two friends went into the Airport lounge and ordered Drinks , a Corona and two Hurricanes.
The Barkeeper said that will be 2020

[Fanblade]

https://youtu.be/o7A-MLVEeMA

[pelmet]

South Korea cases surging. Another one off the AC list.

Lockdowns re-imposed.

[pelmet]

And that is with hardly anybody flying. What if it opens up? I suspect Aug 18 was the last day analyzed when this article was written.

"Nearly two dozen more flights have landed at major airports in Canada with passengers infected with COVID-19
According to the federal government, more than 55 flights have landed in Canada between Aug. 1 and Aug. 18 that had passengers who tested positive for COVID-19 after arriving in the country.
The vast majority of the flights with COVID-19 passengers have landed in Toronto, but a number of them also touched down in Montreal, Vancouver and Calgary."

The international flights since Aug. 1 with COVID-19 cases include:
Air Transat flight TS831 from Punta Cana to Toronto on Aug. 1
United Airlines flight UA375 from San Francisco to Vancouver on Aug. 1
Air Transat flight TS893 from Cancun to Montreal on Aug. 1
Air France flight AF034 from Paris to Montreal on Aug. 1
Air Canada flight AC1297 from Punta Cana to Montreal on Aug. 1
Air Canada flight AC1241 from Cancun to Montreal on Aug. 1
Pakistan International Airlines flight PK797 from Lahore to Toronto on Aug. 2
Etihad Airways flight EY141 from Abu Dhabi to Toronto on Aug. 2
Air Canada flight AC992 from Mexico City to Toronto on Aug. 2
Egypt Air flight MS995 from Cairo to Toronto on Aug. 2
Ethiopian Airlines flight ETH552 from Addis Ababa to Toronto on Aug. 2
American Airlines flight AA1354 from Dallas to Calgary on Aug. 2
United Airlines flight UA3488 from Newark to Toronto on Aug. 3
Qatar Airlines flight QR763 from Doha to Montreal on Aug. 3
Air Canada flight AC7682 from Chicago to Toronto on Aug. 3
Air France flight AF348 from Paris to Montreal on Aug. 3
Air Canada flight AC849 from London to Toronto on Aug. 4
Tap Air Portugal flight TP253 from Lisbon to Montreal on Aug 4.
Delta Airlines flight DL7203 from Atlanta to Calgary on Aug 4.
American Airlines flight AA4719 from Philadelphia to Montreal on Aug. 4
Air Canada flight AC873 from Frankfurt to Toronto on Aug. 4
Air Canada flight AC879 from Switzerland to Toronto on Aug 4.
Air Canada flight AC870 from Montreal to Paris on Aug 4.
AeroMexico flight AM680 from Mexico City to Montreal on Aug 4.
Lufthansa flight LH492 from Frankfurt to Vancouver flight LH492 on Aug. 5
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines flight KL671 from Amsterdam to Montreal on Aug. 5
Air Canada flight AC8021 from New Jersey to Toronto on Aug. 5
Air Canada flight AC7682 from Chicago to Toronto on Aug. 5
Air India flight AI187 from Delhi to Toronto on Aug. 6
Air Canada flight AC873 from Frankfurt to Toronto on Aug. 6
AeroMexico flight AM68 from Mexico City to Montreal on Aug. 6
LOT Polish Airlines flight LO45 Warsaw to Toronto on Aug. 7
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines flight KL691 from Amsterdam to Toronto on Aug. 7
Ethiopian Airlines flight ET552 from Addis Ababa to Toronto on Aug. 7
Air Canada flight AC873 from Frankfurt to Toronto on Aug 7
AeroMexico flight AM696 from Mexico City to Vancouver on Aug. 7
Air India flight IA187 from Delhi to Toronto on Aug. 8
Air Canada flight AC873 from Frankfurt to Toronto on Aug. 8
Air Canada flight AC1295 from Aruba to Toronto on Aug 8.
Air India flight AI1143 from Delhi to Vancouver on Aug. 9
Lufthansa flight LH492 from Frankfurt to Vancouver on Aug. 9
Air Canada flight AC879 from Zurich to Toronto on Aug. 9
Air Canada flight AC1255 from Kingston to Toronto on Aug. 10
Air Canada flight AC905 from Athens to Montreal on Aug. 10
United Airlines flight AC4552 from Chicago to Toronto on Aug. 11
Air Canada flight AC871 from Paris to Montreal on Aug. 11
British Airways flight BA99 from London to Toronto on Aug. 13
Air Canada flight AC992 from Mexico City to Toronto on Aug. 13
Westjet flight WS3923 from Georgetown to Toronto on Aug. 14
Hifly flight HF352 from Guatemala to Montreal on Aug. 14
Air India flight AI1143 from Delhi to Vancouver on Aug. 14
Air Canada flight AC1231 from Cancun to Toronto on Aug 14
Air Canada flight AC992 from Mexico City to Toronto on Aug. 14
Air Canada flight AC7491 from New York to Toronto on Aug. 14
Royal Air Maroc flight AT2208 from Casablanca to Montreal on Aug. 15
Air Canada flight AC1291 from Punta Cana to Toronto on Aug. 15
Air Canada flight AC879 from Zurich to Toronto on Aug. 15
Turkish Airlines from TK17 from Istanbul to Toronto on Aug. 16
Royal Air Maroc flight AT2208 from Casablanca to Montreal on Aug. 16
Lufthansa flight LH470 from Frankfurt to Toronto on Aug 16
KLM Royal Dutch Airlines flight AF8464 from Amsterdam to Montreal on Aug. 16
Lufthansa flight LH470 from Frankfurt to Toronto on Aug. 17
Air Transat flight TS765 from Porto to Toronto on Aug. 17
Air France flight AF342 from Paris to Montreal on Aug. 18

Do you see any problem Gilles?

[RRJetPilot]

I dont understand your point? THE VIRUS IS HERE FOREVER.
There is no amount of shut down or quarantine that will prevent the virus from spreading and reappearing.
There is no Vaccine, nor will there be one that is highly effective.
The virus already has many strains.
Get off the internet and enjoy life with precautions if you have health issues.
I hope you take this advice because if you dont your mental health with really take a toll, if it hasn't already.
There will be more and more flying not less. Get that through your thick skull.

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

Yeh no kidding pelmet.....Gilles posts are well written arguments and backed by real facts. The man even uses his real name...No troll in my opinion....Aren't you a pilot? Aren't you supposed to be a man of science. Physics, chemistry heck even biology if you throw the FAs in there..(lol bad jk)...but seriously...Science says:

1. Same family as the flu.
2. New strain to human thus more aggressive and and deadly in some cases.
3. Hence the deaths and the rapid transmission at the beginning when the virus made the jump.
4. Flu-like diseases come back in different strains every year and vaccines have a certain efficiency depending of the strain.
5. So called "regular" flu still kills xx thousands of people with underlying conditions worldwide every year.
6.As the virus and the humans learn to coexist in some mildly aggressive form of symbiosis, the death rate will be similar to regular flu...this is already happening fast as we speak. If you study biology and chemistry in medicine you will begin to see things differently. By killing you the virus has failed to achieve its goal of reproducing and living. Once it discovers it actually destroys its host mutation will happen.
7. At the same time the collective human species starts developing some form of immunity via what we call herd immunity.
8. Covid is here to stay forever in different forms and different vaccine immunity levels. It's a living organism.....
9. The hysteria is also created by REAL-TIME tracking and I can't stress this more. Imagine if we tracked other diseases and causes of death in REAL-TIME and blasted them thru all media channels possible. Can you imagine the panic.
10. Take a deep breath. Stay clean. Follow the science like you do when you believe in Bernoulli's principle when you hit Vr. Let's pressure #@*^#&$^#&$ JT to wake the F up and start acting to open our airspace and boost our economy to new heights instead of strolling from ethics scandal to another....I take a deep breath now!!

[AuxBatOn]

1. Same family as the flu.

Hmmm, no. Flu is cause by the influenza virus family. COVID-19 is caused by the coronavirus family. Two different things....

[CPT.HarshColdReality]

1. Same family as the flu.

Hmmm, no. Flu is cause by the influenza virus family. COVID-19 is caused by the coronavirus family. Two different things....

perhaps family isn't the right word to describe what I mean.

[2R]

Schools that opened in Florida two weeks ago have over 9,000 positive Covid tests . Gonna be a lot of orphans when they take that home .

Good news no school shootings , yet.

[AuxBatOn]

1. Same family as the flu.

Hmmm, no. Flu is cause by the influenza virus family. COVID-19 is caused by the coronavirus family. Two different things....

perhaps family isn't the right word to describe what I mean.

The only common thing is that it is a virus. Like the flu and ebola are viruses. I thought your “list” was based on science?

[mixturerich]

Covid is just an overblown flu and all the major doctors in the world saying otherwise are just part of a bigger plot to slowly take away our freedoms and also to make trump look worse to try and swing the editions!!! They’re part of the bigger conspiracy! Take off your mask and wake up sheeple! It’s all about fear and control!

*SARCASM*

[mbav8r]

Covid is just an overblown flu and all the major doctors in the world saying otherwise are just part of a bigger plot to slowly take away our freedoms and also to make trump look worse to try and swing the editions!!! They’re part of the bigger conspiracy! Take off your mask and wake up sheeple! It’s all about fear and control!

*SARCASM*

I knew it! I thought I was being paranoid, so I didn’t want to say it out loud.
Also, just because you are paranoid, doesn’t mean they aren’t after you!
*Satire*

['97 Tercel]

meh...

*apathy*

[pelmet]

I think that the CEO's should be demanding that the government advise us what the parameters are for another shutdown(perhaps they are). Of course, they probably won't say but we should know this. Biden has said that he will shut down the US if it "scientists recommended it". But which scientists and will they change their mind on the parameters. Not worth it if there is any risk of another shutdown.

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/topstor ... d=msedgdhp

For Canada’s first century, the railway was the main artery connecting British Columbia to the Maritimes. It was so integral to a successful and united Canada that Sir John A. Macdonald deemed it a national imperative, despite its being politically controversial. The hotel, logistics and mining and resource industries relied on the health of this critical connective tissue. Today, our aviation network serves much the same vital role and has become a unifying national entity. It too should be valued as a national imperative.

Building the railway was no small feat and neither was creating Canada’s impressive aviation infrastructure. But now, as a result of COVID-19’s unwanted invasion and the swift but dislocating actions our governments took to manage the initial threat, the industry is in deep crisis and the infrastructure itself in danger. Airlines have experienced devastating losses in passenger traffic, necessitating massive fleet and route suspensions and unprecedented layoffs that put the carefully built infrastructure at serious risk.

As Canadians, we often take for granted the ease with which we can move from small regions to major international destinations by air. We seldom consider the intricacies involved in operating within such a complicated infrastructure. The effort and complexity of building and maintaining robust networks that also serve as nerve centres for airlines, ground transportation and logistics companies, hotels, restaurants, tourist attractions, cities and communities and so much more is truly formidable. It all needs to be protected.

Though no one could have predicted the rapid emergence of COVID-19, we must now adapt to its ongoing presence and adjust how we view its potential impacts on Canada. We should be concerned about emotional health, children’s education, and many longer-term issues that threaten the viability of our way of life. We must also safeguard the economy and our key infrastructure. We should build on the successes we’ve achieved with the gradual reopening of our provincial economies.

As chairman and CEO of Sky Regional Airlines, a typical Canadian SME, I am responsible for nearly 1,000 jobs, all of which we created since our 2011 startup. Sky Regional operates 25 aircraft in domestic and cross-border markets, providing connections to Air Canada’s network under the Air Canada Express banner. Today, our highly skilled team has been reduced by 40 per cent. Deciding who stays and who goes is a Solomon’s choice that weighs heavily on me.

For years, I have witnessed Air Canada’s implementation of bio-health initiatives such as HEPA filtration and deep cleaning to mitigate infectious disease transmission, and in recent months even more cutting-edge measures to prevent COVID-19 transmission. Their team is vigilant and serious, and their efforts are working.

And yet, at a time when preserving cash to ensure maintaining its core business is an imperative, the airline continues to be virtually shut down by travel restrictions imposed by our governments. Unless we allow it to restart through a careful easing of border restrictions, we are setting up our nation’s important travel network for rapid erosion. Air Canada has already indefinitely suspended 30 domestic routes, many of them serving smaller communities, closed eight stations and removed 79 aircraft from its mainline and Rouge fleets — more than a third of its fleet.

Some effects of these actions are obvious, others will be unintended. Many highly coveted landing slots at the world’s most important airports are “use them or lose them.” Canadians appreciate being able to travel to major European, Asian and American destinations with ideal arrival and departure times. How would we feel if instead we could only arrive or depart in the middle of the night — or not at all?

Other countries are doing a better job of balancing the need to maintain a healthy airline industry with remaining vigilant about the health of their citizens. Many European nations have dropped mandatory quarantines in favour of science-based measures, such as testing or assessment of origin-country infection rates. Countries such as Germany and Greece have opened their borders to Canadians without our government having reciprocated — despite these countries’ infection rates being similar to ours.

They seem to understand the seriousness of their airlines’ predicament and have provided sector-specific supp­ort. According to a recent independent report published by InterVISTAS, “in terms of total spending per departing seat, Singapore leads the pack at approximately US$256 per seat, while Canada displays the lowest expenditure per departing seat at approximately US$2 per seat. For Germany, France and the United States, total spending per departing seat is approximately US$61, US$66 and US$62, respectively.” The report also points out that the “major imbalances in government support across countries and regions has (sic) the potential to influence industry competitive dynamics at the level of airline partnerships, global branded alliances and individual carriers competing for the same traffic flows.”

This should be worrying to us all. Canada’s world-class aviation infrastructure is the backbone of our nation’s transportation network and provides connectivity we desperately need at a time when we already feel so distanced. Our governments need to appreciate its value and take concrete steps to preserve it while getting our economy moving again.

Russell Payson is founder and board chair of Sky Regional Airlines Inc.

[pelmet]

According to a post on another AvCanada thread....the UK has removed the Czech Republic, Switzerland, and Jamaica from the list that AC provided to our government and now requires a 14 day quarantine for people arriving from those three countries.

Which ones are next.