Air Canada threatening to cut A220 orders....

[tsgas]

Maybe ...
and only a quarter of its former number will have to worry about bending over. Because the remaining 3/4ths will still be on the outside looking in, wishing they could also bend over.
This is only going to get uglier.

Gino

True , they won't have a job but they can keep their inflated ego.

[sanjet]

If the first vaccines that are released to the public end of this year don’t go as planned, most of us are screwed in this business.

Other way, if it’s a good vaccine, get ready for a full recovery in 2-3 years.

[digits_]

If the first vaccines that are released to the public end of this year don’t go as planned, most of us are screwed in this business.

Other way, if it’s a good vaccine, get ready for a full recovery in 2-3 years.

Would you be comfortable taking a rushed vaccine for this disease?
I personally wouldn't, and I don't think I'm the only one.

[sanjet]

Would you be comfortable taking a rushed vaccine for this disease?
I personally wouldn't, and I don't think I'm the only one.

After a few months if there are little signs of side effects, I think a lot of people will start taking it.

It’s the bandwagon effect, just like the toilet paper craze.

[fish4life]

If the first vaccines that are released to the public end of this year don’t go as planned, most of us are screwed in this business.

Other way, if it’s a good vaccine, get ready for a full recovery in 2-3 years.

Would you be comfortable taking a rushed vaccine for this disease?
I personally wouldn't, and I don't think I'm the only one.

Ya you’d hate to get autism...........

[digits_]

If the first vaccines that are released to the public end of this year don’t go as planned, most of us are screwed in this business.

Other way, if it’s a good vaccine, get ready for a full recovery in 2-3 years.

Would you be comfortable taking a rushed vaccine for this disease?
I personally wouldn't, and I don't think I'm the only one.

Ya you’d hate to get autism...........

There is a big difference between not wanting to use a vaccin that has been used and test for decades that protects you against deadly diseases vs not wanting to use a vaccin that is being released under gigantic economical and political pressure, will only have been around for a few months, and that protects you against a disease that is not all that deadly.

[thenoflyzone]

Sticking a fork in the TRZ transaction will be the next jab at the Liberal led coalition government (on the heels of declaring 20,000 staff as surplus and relegated to government income assistance).

the TRZ transaction is good as dead. And besides, using that as a threat is not going to work either.

Transat doesn't need AC. It's not like TS was on the brink of bankruptcy. If I remember correctly, the Competition Bureau report that came out a few months ago even mentioned something to that effect.

Besides, as long as Legault is Premier of Quebec, he will never let TS go down.

Yes they are moving to a more socialist way of doing everything. More government in your face and his “we will take care of you” mentality. Ask a Venezuelan how that worked out.

Are you comparing Canadian politicians to their Venezuelan counterparts and think they are both equal in terms of level of corruption? Please, don't make ignorant comments.

[tsgas]

Sticking a fork in the TRZ transaction will be the next jab at the Liberal led coalition government (on the heels of declaring 20,000 staff as surplus and relegated to government income assistance).

the TRZ transaction is good as dead. And besides, using that as a threat is not going to work either.

Transat doesn't need AC. It's not like TS was on the brink of bankruptcy. If I remember correctly, the Competition Bureau report that came out a few months ago even mentioned something to that effect.

Besides, as long as Legault is Premier of Quebec, he will never let TS go down.

Yes they are moving to a more socialist way of doing everything. More government in your face and his “we will take care of you” mentality. Ask a Venezuelan how that worked out.

Are you comparing Canadian politicians to their Venezuelan counterparts and think they are both equal in terms of level of corruption? Please, don't make ignorant comments.

Can you say "WE charity scandal ".

[thenoflyzone]

Can you say "WE charity scandal ".

Can you say "drop in a bucket" compared to what is going on in Venezuela. He couldn't have picked 2 countries further apart in the corruption spectrum, apart from like New Zealand and Somalia. Every country has some level of corruption. Canada is no exception. However comparing us to Venezuela is laughable at best.

[tsgas]

Can you say "WE charity scandal ".

Can you say "drop in a bucket" compared to what is going on in Venezuela. He couldn't have picked 2 countries further apart in the corruption spectrum, apart from like New Zealand and Somalia. Every country has some level of corruption. Canada is no exception. However comparing us to Venezuela is laughable at best.

Where did I mention Venezuela. Try to read before you post something unrelated to what I wrote.

[altiplano]

You can't compare Canadian politicians with Venezuelan...

Quebec politicians on the other make Chavez/Maduro look pretty good!

[thenoflyzone]

Can you say "WE charity scandal ".

Can you say "drop in a bucket" compared to what is going on in Venezuela. He couldn't have picked 2 countries further apart in the corruption spectrum, apart from like New Zealand and Somalia. Every country has some level of corruption. Canada is no exception. However comparing us to Venezuela is laughable at best.

Where did I mention Venezuela. Try to read before you post something unrelated to what I wrote.

Are you dense ?

Where did I mention that "YOU" mentioned Venezuela. My earlier comment to which you replied was targeted at Inverted2.

I hope you dont fly planes for a living......sheesh...

[co-joe]

Cutting the 220, and Max orders makes sense. If I had a brand new car on order right now i'd be doing anything any everything I could to get out of the contract.

[tsgas]

Can you say "drop in a bucket" compared to what is going on in Venezuela. He couldn't have picked 2 countries further apart in the corruption spectrum, apart from like New Zealand and Somalia. Every country has some level of corruption. Canada is no exception. However comparing us to Venezuela is laughable at best.

Where did I mention Venezuela. Try to read before you post something unrelated to what I wrote.

Are you dense ?

Where did I mention that "YOU" mentioned Venezuela. My earlier comment to which you replied was targeted at Inverted2.

I hope you dont fly planes for a living......sheesh...

You ramp rats should avoid ingesting too much jet fuel . It makes your brain go all fuzzy.

[thenoflyzone]

You ramp rats should avoid ingesting too much jet fuel . It makes your brain go all fuzzy.

ramp rat? Wow. Now i really hope you don't fly planes for a living, cuz you can't read for shit...

And my perch is about 200ft above your jet fuel, thank you very much.

Cutting the 220, and Max orders makes sense. If I had a brand new car on order right now i'd be doing anything any everything I could to get out of the contract.

AC isn't going to cut the A220 orders. CR was bluffing, and it wont work. Besides, the financing for the remainder of the A220s is now secure.

CR threatened to walk away from the CSeries in 2016 if the federal government did not amend the ACPPA. If they do cancel the A220 orders, then that amendment needs to be canceled as well, and all the maintenance work that left the country as a result needs to be brought back in house.

https://financialpost.com/transportatio ... snt-passed

[altiplano]

I'll believe they're all coming after they're down the runway at V1... until then anything is possible.

This industry is hammered and it's not getting better. Where's the money going to come from? Who's going to fly in them? Planes are parked as is.

The government can't make a decision to save it's own life, let alone get industry moving again, particularly now that they've circled the wagons after it's been found that they were doling out cash for their pals... meanwhile Air Canada is the only carrier of that size and significance not getting support from their government to remain viable through the imposed shutdowns and restrictions which were beyond their control.

AC had a strong liquidity position going in - pretty much the best of world network airlines - they have even improved it since March, but it can't continue forever.

ACPPA was a joke to begin with, and parts have been repealed for establishing maintenance centres which has been done. The previous interpretation of those provisions aren't coming back.

[tsgas]

You ramp rats should avoid ingesting too much jet fuel . It makes your brain go all fuzzy.

ramp rat? Wow. Now i really hope you don't fly planes for a living, cuz you can't read for shit...

And my perch is about 200ft above your jet fuel, thank you very much.

Cutting the 220, and Max orders makes sense. If I had a brand new car on order right now i'd be doing anything any everything I could to get out of the contract.

AC isn't going to cut the A220 orders. CR was bluffing, and it wont work. Besides, the financing for the remainder of the A220s is now secure.

CR threatened to walk away from the CSeries in 2016 if the federal government did not amend the ACPA. If they do cancel the A220 orders, then that amendment needs to be canceled as well, and all the maintenance work that left the country as a result needs to be brought back in house.

https://financialpost.com/transportatio ... snt-passed

More hot air from the Blowhard .

[thenoflyzone]

This industry is hammered and it's not getting better.

Technically, it's getting better. Slowly, but it's getting better.

YUL & YVR June passenger numbers are both 220% above May numbers. So it's encouraging. AC will take delivery of all those A220s. They might defer some batches if they are cash strapped next year or in 2022, but they will take delivery of all the frames, eventually.

[altiplano]

220% of 5% is 11%... you're dreaming if you think that brings more airplane orders...

There needs to be a marked recovery.

[fish4life]

220% of 5% is 11%... you're dreaming if you think that brings more airplane orders...

There needs to be a marked recovery.

Lol thank you for using some reasoning

[goldeneagle]

220% of 5% is 11%... you're dreaming if you think that brings more airplane orders...

There needs to be a marked recovery.

Some actual numbers. https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/document ... engers.pdf

Yvr June traffic was 189K pax. June last year was 2.4 million. So traffic is back to 8 percent of last year in June. July may be a bit better but likely not a lot.

The PDF gos back to 92 with monthly stats and even then June had just shy of a million pax.

[altiplano]

220% of 5% is 11%... you're dreaming if you think that brings more airplane orders...

There needs to be a marked recovery.

Some actual numbers. https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/document ... engers.pdf

Yvr June traffic was 189K pax. June last year was 2.4 million. So traffic is back to 8 percent of last year in June. July may be a bit better but likely not a lot.

The PDF gos back to 92 with monthly stats and even then June had just shy of a million pax.

Right, thanks for clarifying that. I was just basing off that impressive "220%" claim.

100,000% of jack shit squat is still fu ck all...

[fish4life]

On another note, June is roughly 1/5th of the worst post 9/11 traffic numbers for a comparison.

[thenoflyzone]

220% of 5% is 11%... you're dreaming if you think that brings more airplane orders...

There needs to be a marked recovery.

Some actual numbers. https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/document ... engers.pdf

Yvr June traffic was 189K pax. June last year was 2.4 million. So traffic is back to 8 percent of last year in June. July may be a bit better but likely not a lot.

The PDF gos back to 92 with monthly stats and even then June had just shy of a million pax.

Right, thanks for clarifying that. I was just basing off that impressive "220%" claim.

100,000% of jack shit squat is still fu ck all...

It's not a claim. It's a mathematical fact. Or would you rather YVR handled 0 passengers in June vs 189k.

He said the industry isn't getting better. Mathematically, it is. The worse months were April and May. The industry is rebounding, and hopefully, by this time next year, if more 220 percentages are up there in the airport stats, we'll be at 50-75% of 2019 levels.

220% of 5% is 11%... you're dreaming if you think that brings more airplane orders...

There needs to be a marked recovery.

I never said those numbers will bring "more" aircraft orders. I simply said the industry is recovering, slowly, and that an existing order of A220s won't be canceled. Those are mutually exclusive statements btw. 95% of A220s built are currently flying, as opposed to 5% of all A380s, 25% of all B744s, 30% of all A340s and 65% of all A350s/B787s. Even the CRJs, ERJ's and E-Jets, between all of them, have 305 planes in the desert due to COVID. Why do you think that is?

I'll give you a hint. It has nothing to do with YUL and YVR getting 220% increases.

[altiplano]

Some actual numbers. https://www.yvr.ca/-/media/yvr/document ... engers.pdf

Yvr June traffic was 189K pax. June last year was 2.4 million. So traffic is back to 8 percent of last year in June. July may be a bit better but likely not a lot.

The PDF gos back to 92 with monthly stats and even then June had just shy of a million pax.

Right, thanks for clarifying that. I was just basing off that impressive "220%" claim.

100,000% of jack shit squat is still fu ck all...

It's not a claim. It's a mathematical fact. Or would you rather YVR handled 0 passengers in June vs 189k.

He said the industry isn't getting better. Mathematically, it is.

220% of 5% is 11%... you're dreaming if you think that brings more airplane orders...

There needs to be a marked recovery.

I never said those numbers will bring "more" aircraft orders. I simply said the industry is recovering, slowly, and that an existing order of A220s won't be canceled. Those are mutually exclusive statements btw. 95% of A220s built are currently flying. Why do you think that is?

Exactly, multiples of nothing are still nothing. That's a fact that seems to elude you.

Who's going to ride in them? Who's going to pay for them? So why take them? If things don't turn soon they will have no choice but to walk on orders, cost cutting and maintaining liquidity is king right now. Even then bankruptcy will eventually loom in the 8-12 month range if something doesn't happen to turn this industry around significantly.