New Bottom Feeder's

[Loon-A-Tic]

During this time of unpresendented furlough numbers effecting our colleagues are "draft whores" the new bottom feeders of this industry. While we criticize operators we must also be willing to look within our ranks and hold ourselves accountable as well.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

[Zaibatsu]

Four years of flat pay followed by furlough tends to do that to people.

[Loon-A-Tic]

That is precisely why the employment standards in Canadian aviation will NEVER change or improve, pilots are their own worst enemy

[Gino Under]

When most, if not all in the aviation sector, are both future and financially fuct, you’re the one who decides who’s a “bottom feeder”???
Shouldn’t we, individually, in our own specific circumstances, decide what’s best for us and our families during a pandemic?

Even though I get it, maybe more considerate thought is a wiser investment than just hitting the keyboard in frustration?

Gino Under

P.S. it’s ‘affecting’ not “effecting”.

[planebored]

When most, if not all in the aviation sector, are both future and financially fuct, you’re the one who decides who’s a “bottom feeder”???
Shouldn’t we, individually, in our own specific circumstances, decide what’s best for us and our families?
Maybe more considerate thought is a wiser investment than just hitting the keyboard.

Gino Under

P.S. it’s ‘affecting’ not “effecting”.

Well regardless I think we can all agree SkyCare is the bottommost bottom feeder.

[JohnnyHotRocks]

If nobody took the flat pay they would have to change it. One could argue that everyone who took it was a bottom feeder at one point.

[Loon-A-Tic]

When most, if not all in the aviation sector, are both future and financially fuct, you’re the one who decides who’s a “bottom feeder”???
Shouldn’t we, individually, in our own specific circumstances, decide what’s best for us and our families during a pandemic?

Even though I get it, maybe more considerate thought is a wiser investment than just hitting the keyboard in frustration?

Gino Under

P.S. it’s ‘affecting’ not “effecting”.

Hey Gino Under thanks for confirming the intent of the post, I'll work on my spelling

[planebored]

If nobody took the flat pay they would have to change it. One could argue that everyone who took it was a bottom feeder at one point.

TIL, I am a bottom feeder.

Hopefully I'll be able to be a part of making it go away for those that come after.

[Skyhunter]

Dude, you have no idea if other people’s financial circumstances. Maybe the are paying for a very sick parents old folks home bills. Maybe their spouse has a business that is losing thousands of dollars a month. Perhaps their kids need an expensive medication that isn’t covered.

All of which we be more important than not working in the slim hopes it will help someone else.

Pretty f**** judgmental.

[flying4dollars]

Truth is, nobody really knows one's intention for picking up OT, for the most part. There are people who may claim it's beer money etc, but generally speaking we know of no one's financial situation. It would be poor form to pass judgement on someone for taking OT, pandemic or not.

Was this really even worth posting about?

Really, this is just loon-a-tic's opinion. Doesn't mean he'a factually correct. Carry on..

[Loon-A-Tic]

So when times are good we are quick to chew any transgressors a new one for being self-serving. However when its time to circle the wagons it become a wagon train of one. More solid evidence that the Canadian aviation industry is mired in it's own self perpetuating mess and yes thats just an opinion.

[flying4dollars]

So when times are good we are quick to chew any transgressors a new one for being self-serving. However when its time to circle the wagons it become a wagon train of one. More solid evidence that the Canadian aviation industry is mired in it's own self perpetuating mess and yes thats just an opinion.

I get what you're saying, but opinions about issues like this are so subjective, they likely won't change anything. In fact all it will do, is pit everyone against each other like a number of threads in here and it will just lead to name calling and judgment. It's not exactly a productive topic to discuss and likely wasn't worth creating a thread for it, in my opinion

[ogopogo]

When most, if not all in the aviation sector, are both future and financially fuct, you’re the one who decides who’s a “bottom feeder”???
Shouldn’t we, individually, in our own specific circumstances, decide what’s best for us and our families during a pandemic?

Even though I get it, maybe more considerate thought is a wiser investment than just hitting the keyboard in frustration?

Gino Under

P.S. it’s ‘affecting’ not “effecting”.

Hey Gino Under thanks for confirming the intent of the post, I'll work on my spelling

And it’s “Feeders” not “Feeder’s”, “unprecedented” with a “c”.

You’re welcome.

[tbayav8er]

Obviously not the popular opinion here, but I don't think anyone should be doing OT while their colleagues are laid off. In other industries, if you were to pick up OT while your coworkers were laid off, you would not be looked at favourably by your peers. Pilots are different though for some reason. I get that I don't understand everyone's financial situation, but my financial situation also sucks, AND I'm laid off. Picking up OT directly delays recalls. That's irrefutable.

[Loon-A-Tic]

Finally some who get’s it, there’s still hope

[Loon-A-Tic]

Every Skipper that has been “downgraded” is directly impact when the guy to his left picks up draft or OT. Every FO that is living on CEWS is directly impacted when a colleague picks up draft or OT. It might not be a very “popular” conversation or post but it’s the truth.

[planebored]

Dude, you have no idea if other people’s financial circumstances. Maybe the are paying for a very sick parents old folks home bills. Maybe their spouse has a business that is losing thousands of dollars a month. Perhaps their kids need an expensive medication that isn’t covered.

All of which we be more important than not working in the slim hopes it will help someone else.

Pretty f**** judgmental.

What about the financial circumstances of all the furloughed pilots? Especially those who left higher paid jobs to deal with flat pay shit, only to get laid off and now take even longer to get to formula pay?

Just don't do VO. If you care at all about your fellow co-workers. If the company can't cover with VO they will start to recall and run larger reserve coverage. Every day sooner the get our furloughed brothers and sisters back is better. That's one more day of YOS progression, another day of pension contribution and benefits coverage.

Say no to VO.

[tbayav8er]

Exactly.

Dude, you have no idea if other people’s financial circumstances. Maybe the are paying for a very sick parents old folks home bills. Maybe their spouse has a business that is losing thousands of dollars a month. Perhaps their kids need an expensive medication that isn’t covered.

All of which we be more important than not working in the slim hopes it will help someone else.

Pretty f**** judgmental.

What about the financial circumstances of all the furloughed pilots? Especially those who left higher paid jobs to deal with flat pay shit, only to get laid off and now take even longer to get to formula pay?

Just don't do VO. If you care at all about your fellow co-workers. If the company can't cover with VO they will start to recall and run larger reserve coverage. Every day sooner the get our furloughed brothers and sisters back is better. That's one more day of YOS progression, another day of pension contribution and benefits coverage.

Say no to VO.

[planebored]

Obviously not the popular opinion here, but I don't think anyone should be doing OT while their colleagues are laid off. In other industries, if you were to pick up OT while your coworkers were laid off, you would not be looked at favourably by your peers. Pilots are different though for some reason. I get that I don't understand everyone's financial situation, but my financial situation also sucks, AND I'm laid off. Picking up OT directly delays recalls. That's irrefutable.

Try doing VO as a longshoremen when there's layoffs. Hell didn't the mx department union at Jazz or AC send a memo out telling people to not do overtime?

No idea why pilot unions can't do the same. They're all scared of it being called labour action, yet overtime is not a contractual obligation so they need to start acting with some back bone.

But then if say ACPA takes that stance, the YUL LEC Chair might be mad.