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WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:49 pm
by shawnthesheep

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:48 pm
by simply_no_one
Lol high horse much? Give me a fucking break.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:21 am
by Hangry
Pathetic

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:00 am
by fish4life
What’s pathetic about the statement?

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:44 am
by TheStig
The first 3 paragraphs.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:49 am
by Yycjetdriver
Early in the pandemic the same CEO played the sympathy card in the media, saying how devastated their business is and announcing the permanent reduction of many positions for cheaper outsourcing options (csa’s, ramp staff and call centre employees) across the country, in addition to the many temporary layoffs. Then an hour after support for your competitor is announced, that ensures job protection, that same CEO feels the need to made a public statement like that. Very unnecessary.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:58 am
by Hangry
I didn’t think there were any kool aid fanboys left.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:33 pm
by Launchpad1
I don't see any issue with that. It's just a statement of fact.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 8:18 am
by “”Bob””
And that’s how capitalism works.

I’m sure that the unemployed at Air Canada are just overjoyed that the Nomenklatura there only get 20 pilot salaries worth of compensation with their tax dollars that the government says will be returned... .but like a kid who’s grounded for a month that you see riding his bike the next Friday.........I somehow doubt it.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:31 am
by RRJetPilot
Hangry wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:58 am I didn’t think there were any kool aid fanboys left.
Brooks? Hes been quite lately.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:51 am
by Hangry
RRJetPilot wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:31 am
Hangry wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:58 am I didn’t think there were any kool aid fanboys left.
Brooks? Hes been quite lately.
Too busy eating AC’s lunch I guess. Maybe it gave him heartburn?

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 11:06 am
by Yycjetdriver
Launchpad1 wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 5:33 pm I don't see any issue with that. It's just a statement of fact.
I just think coming out right away saying that after months of playing the sympathy card while making permanent reductions isn’t needed.
I get the decision by Onex to not take a similar package, they’re not hurting for cash so there’s no reason for them to give the government a stake in Westjet.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:39 pm
by redbusdriver
wait for westjet to soon get a gov't loan, and release a statement saying "we didn't need it, but we'll take it anyways"

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:41 pm
by redbusdriver
Hangry wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:51 am
RRJetPilot wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 10:31 am
Hangry wrote: Tue Apr 13, 2021 6:58 am I didn’t think there were any kool aid fanboys left.
Brooks? Hes been quite lately.
Too busy eating AC’s lunch I guess. Maybe it gave him heartburn?
we are a hearty meal

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:33 pm
by altiplano
redbusdriver wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:39 pm wait for westjet to soon get a gov't loan, and release a statement saying "we didn't need it, but we'll take it anyways"
I think the thing is that Onex has cash and access to cash at better rates than the Federal program offers. They don't want to have to do things like guarantee service to money losing routes, or guarantee employment numbers, or do anything that will take control away and reduce their competitiveness... or cap Schwartz's salary...

They would take direct subsidy, or free cash bailout, but why take money they have to pay back when they can get it without the strings attached for less of they need it.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 4:22 pm
by redbusdriver
altiplano wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:33 pm
redbusdriver wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:39 pm wait for westjet to soon get a gov't loan, and release a statement saying "we didn't need it, but we'll take it anyways"
I think the thing is that Onex has cash and access to cash at better rates than the Federal program offers. They don't want to have to do things like guarantee service to money losing routes, or guarantee employment numbers, or do anything that will take control away and reduce their competitiveness... or cap Schwartz's salary...

They would take direct subsidy, or free cash bailout, but why take money they have to pay back when they can get it without the strings attached for less of they need it.
good point

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2021 6:06 pm
by fish4life
I wouldn’t be surprised if they get low interest loans for an order of Quebec made A220’s

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:34 am
by notwhoyouthinkIam
altiplano wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:33 pm
redbusdriver wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:39 pm wait for westjet to soon get a gov't loan, and release a statement saying "we didn't need it, but we'll take it anyways"
I think the thing is that Onex has cash and access to cash at better rates than the Federal program offers. They don't want to have to do things like guarantee service to money losing routes, or guarantee employment numbers, or do anything that will take control away and reduce their competitiveness... or cap Schwartz's salary...

They would take direct subsidy, or free cash bailout, but why take money they have to pay back when they can get it without the strings attached for less of they need it.
Air Canada was offered a line of credit. If WestJet gets a similar offer, why would they refuse it?

Having access to cash (that they're not forced to draw from) is something that they would be dumb to refuse, unless it had some concessions that would make it more costly.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:36 am
by tbaylx
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:34 am
altiplano wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:33 pm
redbusdriver wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:39 pm wait for westjet to soon get a gov't loan, and release a statement saying "we didn't need it, but we'll take it anyways"
I think the thing is that Onex has cash and access to cash at better rates than the Federal program offers. They don't want to have to do things like guarantee service to money losing routes, or guarantee employment numbers, or do anything that will take control away and reduce their competitiveness... or cap Schwartz's salary...

They would take direct subsidy, or free cash bailout, but why take money they have to pay back when they can get it without the strings attached for less of they need it.
Air Canada was offered a line of credit. If WestJet gets a similar offer, why would they refuse it?

Having access to cash (that they're not forced to draw from) is something that they would be dumb to refuse, unless it had some concessions that would make it more costly.
Because it came with a 15% equity stake and other strings attached.

Re: WestJet statement on Goverment funding for AC

Posted: Thu Apr 15, 2021 9:52 am
by altiplano
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Thu Apr 15, 2021 7:34 am
altiplano wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 3:33 pm
redbusdriver wrote: Wed Apr 14, 2021 1:39 pm wait for westjet to soon get a gov't loan, and release a statement saying "we didn't need it, but we'll take it anyways"
I think the thing is that Onex has cash and access to cash at better rates than the Federal program offers. They don't want to have to do things like guarantee service to money losing routes, or guarantee employment numbers, or do anything that will take control away and reduce their competitiveness... or cap Schwartz's salary...

They would take direct subsidy, or free cash bailout, but why take money they have to pay back when they can get it without the strings attached for less of they need it.
Air Canada was offered a line of credit. If WestJet gets a similar offer, why would they refuse it?

Having access to cash (that they're not forced to draw from) is something that they would be dumb to refuse, unless it had some concessions that would make it more costly.
I think I said why they might refuse it.

Conditions that restrict their competitiveness.