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Just waiting for that announcement any day from our Minister of Transport that air cabotage is being scrapped so United can serve our routes too.
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lownslow wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:37 am Just waiting for that announcement any day from our Minister of Transport that air cabotage is being scrapped so United can serve our routes too.
That's not so outlandish. Never forget that Trudeau and Freeland are carbon emission KOOKS. If they can "off-load" Canadian carbon emission numbers to foreign carriers, it makes them look good in front of their Davos/UN buddies. It wouldn't help the planet one bit, and it would restrict Canadian travel options, but it would get T+F a ton of virtue signaling "brownie points".

They don't care one fig about reality when it comes to Global Warming. Just look at the massive use of fossil fuels required for the production of car battery materials. Most are sourced from the far east and they couldn't care less how much diesel is burnt or ecological destruction is caused by extracting and refining them. It's all optics and political posturing designed to appease an uninformed, but "concerned" public citizen.
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lownslow wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:37 am Just waiting for that announcement any day from our Minister of Transport that air cabotage is being scrapped so United can serve our routes too.
That wont happen until a conservative government is elected. It is after all a plank in their platform....
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RippleRock wrote: Tue May 18, 2021 7:56 am
lownslow wrote: Mon May 17, 2021 9:37 am Just waiting for that announcement any day from our Minister of Transport that air cabotage is being scrapped so United can serve our routes too.
That's not so outlandish. Never forget that Trudeau and Freeland are carbon emission KOOKS. If they can "off-load" Canadian carbon emission numbers to foreign carriers, it makes them look good in front of their Davos/UN buddies. It wouldn't help the planet one bit, and it would restrict Canadian travel options, but it would get T+F a ton of virtue signaling "brownie points".

They don't care one fig about reality when it comes to Global Warming. Just look at the massive use of fossil fuels required for the production of car battery materials. Most are sourced from the far east and they couldn't care less how much diesel is burnt or ecological destruction is caused by extracting and refining them. It's all optics and political posturing designed to appease an uninformed, but "concerned" public citizen.
Sort of like you don’t care about how much diesel it takes to find, extract, refine, and distribute fossil fuels not just once to be recycled, but continuously and for it to be burned as well.

Or how you think it’s China’s problem that they burn all of the coal and oil we send them making the trinkets that they then sell back to us. Canada would be paying ten times what it does in carbon tax if it was based on end users.

One thing is certain. The conservatives are no friends of the airline industry or the common worker. You are too poor to be a member of their club, and the cheap seats they are promising their supporters are at the expense of your career.
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I don’t think we’ll see a conservative government anytime soon. Junior has all the minions happily living off CERB, and lots of public transit projects announced for the GTA where all the votes come from. Unfortunately things will have to get a lot worse before most wake up to it.
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There is definitely reason for optimism.

Anecdotally I have had the “pleasure” of deadheading a fair amount this year, passing through EWR, ORD and CLT.
From what I’ve seen, it has been business as usual in the US all spring for the airlines.
Airports and flights are packed.
Corporate ramps are busy as well.

I had a chat with a senior captain from one of the largest “regional” carriers in the US the other day. Their pilots are scheduled to the max, they have recalled everyone from furlough and are actively hiring. The training department is running at full steam to try to keep up with the demand.
We likely won’t be too far behind.
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rxl wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 6:14 am There is definitely reason for optimism.

Anecdotally I have had the “pleasure” of deadheading a fair amount this year, passing through EWR, ORD and CLT.
From what I’ve seen, it has been business as usual in the US all spring for the airlines.
Airports and flights are packed.
Corporate ramps are busy as well.

I had a chat with a senior captain from one of the largest “regional” carriers in the US the other day. Their pilots are scheduled to the max, they have recalled everyone from furlough and are actively hiring. The training department is running at full steam to try to keep up with the demand.
We likely won’t be too far behind.
I sure hope you’re right! If you turn on the news here it’s still 100% Covid fear, fear, fear non-stop. They are a bit more sensible south of the border.

In my area people are pretty much visiting and traveling lots locally and not really bothered by all the lockdown B.S. anymore.
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I just don’t get it. It is completely bizarre how Canadians are off on their own tangent with these restrictions. Maybe Canadians think that things look the same south of the border? To me this has been so strange since last summer when they closed splash pads for the kids, then they opened them and started spraying sanitizer over everything at the park once an hour. This is when I was thinking things are completely dumb. By end of summer that nonsense ended and I was like thank goodness things are at least getting more logical. I mean the masking indoors and all I was never a fan because I don’t think the science has strong support for it but it made more sense then the splash pad cleaning and closing the outdoors!

Of course the seasonal spike came back, but I didn’t think we would regress into completely idiotic policy again. Now they have stopped spraying splash pads and completely closed them again all together. How is it last summer this was fine, and now we are all mostly past the first shot and we are looking worse than last summer? Completely bizarre. I have to wonder how many people follow this and think we are doing a good job. I know it was only a month ago people were calling for more restrictions, then when the hammer came down it seemed most of us woke up to the fact the restrictions they chose were completely dumb. Sadly the way this government is choosing to finish the pandemic will probably lead to a lack of trust the next time around. They literally have everyone so much leverage for conspiracy theories because of all the miss steps. I mean they have done this whacky stuff since the beginning, but the more we know about covid the more ridiculous these policies seem to me anyways.

Doug Ford could stand up today and say the pandemic is over, all restrictions are over, get back to normal. I would think that would be completely reasonable. Am I wrong? What restrictions do we need? How should this all end?
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montado wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 7:43 am Doug Ford could stand up today and say the pandemic is over, all restrictions are over, get back to normal. I would think that would be completely reasonable. Am I wrong? What restrictions do we need? How should this all end?
Well said (overall). I wouldn't say this pandemic is over. We're not there yet, but the restrictions could certainly be eased, ESPECIALLY opening up the border with the USA. Canadians have had a good life, for many generations, and as a result have become "domesticated sheep" in many aspects. We've become obsessed with "idiot labels", "helicopter parenting" and blowing sh*t out of proportion every chance we get. We've become a society of easily offended people, where every degenerate has his or her voice.

I expected more from my fellow Conservatives, but I guess they, like the rest of politicians buckle under pressure. Public opinion is worth more than our economy. Trudeau is the nr. 1 person to blame in this country, followed by the rest of them. It makes no difference. Liberal, NDP, Cons, etc.

Wake up Canada. We need to put our foot down. I can't believe how easily we've accepted our governments to infringe on our rights (to freely move around our country), or even embraced it and demanded it, under the pretext of "Keeping Canadians Safe".

F*cking hell! I'm outraged for myself, my family, my friends, my colleagues, the thousands of Canadians that lost their livelihood because of ridiculous, overreaching laws passed.

Every one of these politicians need to be voted out at the Federal, Provincial, Municipal, etc. level.
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But if you vote these clowns out, who do you replace them with? I thought Doug Ford would be a bit of “fresh air” for Ontario but he’s turned this province into one of the biggest prison states in the world right now. Ontario is the only place in North America that playing round of golf is forbidden. Absolute insanity. He’s making millions with his family printing business. You know, those stupid stickers they have on every business floor that no one follows. He’s getting richer by the minute while millions suffer through this nonsense. Don’t get me started about Justin. No explanation required there. :wink:
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Inverted2 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 9:44 am
I thought Doug Ford would be a bit of “fresh air” for Ontario but he’s turned this province into one of the biggest prison states in the world right now. Ontario is the only place in North America that playing round of golf is forbidden.
If we look at this objectively (and I’m no history buff) we actually have maintained many freedoms where in comparison to war time and the Spanish flu there were way more restrictions. And when we look at history we always came out more free, more strong and more resilient than before. Correct me if I’m wrong inverted, but maybe the reason you and I sometimes talk in extremes is because we are fighting fire with fire? We think the restrictions and policies are so outlandish that we exaggerate how our freedoms are being taken? We try to sound as ridiculous as the politicians so maybe someone will understand us? :lol: I have definitely had my struggles with our government but it really has not been that bad. But neither was covid itself, not trying to minimize anyone who experienced loss during the pandemic, but this is all part of my confusion as to why things are taking so long to return to normal. Covid was just bad enough to have some concern, but not bad enough to get everyone to buy in that we need to stop the virus from spreading. I think most people see this as something we will live with, like the flu, and do basic measures to prevent spread live vax, and wash hands etc.

I think we can agree life is definitely better today than living during the great wars and previous pandemics. And I’m not trying to minimize anyone’s struggles. I have definitely been blessed this pandemic maintaining a steady pay cheque. Most of my outrage is nothing to do with my personal situation and more directed to the minority of people who really have been impacted. Restaurant workers, pilots at airlines who have halted operations etc. So sure I want my few freedoms back that the government has kind of half assed at taking away. Lots of the restrictions I followed in the beginning no longer apply. I visit my family. Really they aren’t taking anything from me at this point. It’s just all a show at this point.

If they ended the restrictions, not much would change, behaviour wouldn’t instantly change and cause covid to ravage us through another wave. In my opinion anyways. Most of us are all pretty much living normal. So let’s stop pretending we have these restrictions that are saving us from catastrophe. Texas ended masks how long ago now? Did you even see a blip on the graph? What does everyone think is going to happen if we just went back to normal?
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Inverted2 wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 9:44 am But if you vote these clowns out, who do you replace them with?
William Wallace of course!

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The US general population has accepted a COVID related death rate that is 3 times higher than Canadians have. Like it or not that's where it's at. There's not a single Canadian politician or medical authority that would back the United States approach in this country

The US general population has accepted the highest death rate of all G20 countries.
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bobcaygeon wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 10:26 am The US general population has accepted a COVID related death rate that is 3 times higher than Canadians have. Like it or not that's where it's at. There's not a single Canadian politician or medical authority that would back the United States approach in this country

The US general population has accepted the highest death rate of all G20 countries.
They did have more deaths per capita but they had politicians like governor Cuomo stuffing sick people in nursing homes in NY state which made things a lot worse.

I agree. With what you said though. I visit with friends and family as I did before. I didn’t attend or host parties so I suppose I did my part. I’ve saved a lot of money not commuting to work or eating in restaurants. Hell I haven’t even paid for a haircut since February 2020 so it’s not all bad for me. I’m just sick of having it front and center 24/7.

Looks like even Quebec is going to start opening things soon and face diapers might be gone by August.
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bobcaygeon wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 10:26 am The US general population has accepted a COVID related death rate that is 3 times higher than Canadians have. Like it or not that's where it's at. There's not a single Canadian politician or medical authority that would back the United States approach in this country

The US general population has accepted the highest death rate of all G20 countries.
Thats a little simplistic. Look at what states had some of the highest death per capita. The most restrictive democratic states. NY looked much like Toronto as far as restrictions go. So did they just accept this? Did restrictions work effectively?

If you are going to implement policy people want it to be effective. Do you think Ontario residents are like "see we can't golf, that's why America had is 3x worse"

So did America just accept the deaths? Not really. In the coming years we will see studies on pandemic response. Much of it might just boiled down to population density and movement and less about many of the imposed restrictions. So I don't see it as they accept deaths.

3 out of 5 deaths in Canada came from LTC homes. Was it just some peoples time? Thousands of LTC residents die of influenza every year. So really what policies can we say we're effective and what were not... It's big questions. I look forward to the answers.
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montado wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 10:14 am If they ended the restrictions, not much would change, behaviour wouldn’t instantly change and cause covid to ravage us through another wave. In my opinion anyways. Most of us are all pretty much living normal.
Okay. Am I understanding this correctly? Do you mean to say that what's happening nowadays is "living normal"?

If so, you are greatly mistaken. The impact these restrictions have on our society is beyond comprehensible. Unless you're some dumb hick living in rural Manitoba town that has never set foot anywhere but Winnipeg, maybe life isn't that different than what you're used to. If you are, like myself, an immigrant to Canada with family overseas, with older parents, property that needs tending, etc. you will quickly realize how important travel is.

Canada has become a country where the average Canadian can't afford childcare. I couldn't bring my mother and father here from Europe to watch our kids (like they normally do). People have family members that have terminal illnesses and they can't go and see their loved ones because coming back would cripple them financially.

This doesn't apply just to immigrants. Plenty of Canadians have family in "New-Brunswickstan, Nova Scotiastan and the People's Republic of Newfoundland and the Socialist Republic of PEI". They can't see their parents, children, family members, etc. Canadians can't travel freely in their own country.

The reasons are idiotic. This pandemic does not warrant us losing our freedom. You're fine not to go to Nova Scotiastan because you may not have any reason to go there, but that doesn't apply to everyone. What if you couldn't leave your city? What if you couldn't leave your neghbourhood or your house? How far are you willing to go before you go: "F*ck that!"

Don't downplay it. Just because it doesn't affect you, it doesn't mean it's not affecting others.

I'm not even going to attempt to speak of the "mental health" impact this has on our children, teens and young adults.
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bobcaygeon wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 10:26 am The US general population has accepted a COVID related death rate that is 3 times higher than Canadians have. Like it or not that's where it's at. There's not a single Canadian politician or medical authority that would back the United States approach in this country

The US general population has accepted the highest death rate of all G20 countries.
The UK has higher deaths per million from covid. So does Italy. Mexico and France are pretty close behind. This is despite different policy in lockdown. Doesn’t seem government policies tie very closely, if at all, to death rate.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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A350s for air Canada to replace 777, all the 777 convert to cargo and they also buy cargo jet.

They recall all staff and start hiring 50 pilots a month for 3 years starting in September this year.

Westjet orders 50 A220s, buys porter and cancels the embraer order. The expand to the east. Encore is no more and they keep the porter brand, all the encore guys get in the 220s. They order more 787s and expand internationally to South America and Asia.

Optimism! :lol: of course none of these things can happen as we can’t move forward if people are not ready to move forward. We are still pretending it’s pandemic life here, and that we can’t function with this virus.

Sorry transat, my crystal ball doesn’t see anything to exciting. Just a new bailout from the Quebec government when the loans default.

https://www.ola.org/en/legislative-busi ... nt-motions

Ontario is putting forward a motion to extend the emergency order until December? Ah shet! Okay I take it all back. Optimism is gone... all I see is a second round of bailouts for all! And my kids get to pay for it!
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