YYT Rwy 16 notam

[av8ts]

A) CYYT B) 2108171528 C) 2111151400EST
E) ILS RWY 16 APCH ILS/DME MINIMA TO READ 703 (250) 1 RVR 50)
GKA645 17152811

According to the approach ban limits for commercial operators I read this NOTAM to mean the minimum visibility to conduct this approach to be 3/4 vis or 4000rvr.

PAL has been doing this approach down to 1200rvr for months. Am I missing something?

[TrilliumFlt]

They have an SA, previously known as an "ops spec".

[av8ts]

They have an SA, previously known as an "ops spec".

They have an ops spec to land at 1200rvr when the required for an approach is 5000? I’d be very surprised.

[TrilliumFlt]

They have an SA, previously known as an "ops spec".

They have an ops spec to land at 1200rvr when the required for an approach is 5000? I’d be very surprised.

The published minima are for general application by any operator both private or commercial. An SA may be issued to a certificate holder when they have an approved training program in place to support it.

[av8ts]

They have an SA, previously known as an "ops spec".

They have an ops spec to land at 1200rvr when the required for an approach is 5000? I’d be very surprised.

The published minima are for general application by any operator both private or commercial. An SA may be issued to a certificate holder when they have an approved training program in place to support it.

Not buying it. There are planes landing there with auto land and/or HUD that can’t go down to 1200rvr when the published minima is 5000.

[TrilliumFlt]

They have an ops spec to land at 1200rvr when the required for an approach is 5000? I’d be very surprised.

The published minima are for general application by any operator both private or commercial. An SA may be issued to a certificate holder when they have an approved training program in place to support it.

Not buying it. There are planes landing there with auto land and/or HUD that can’t go down to 1200rvr when the published minima is 5000.

I'm not really trying to sell anything just offering a thought on how its being done legally. Keep in mind that neither auto land nor HUD are required for an RVR1200 SA, it's all about an operators "approved" training program.

Let me ask you this; who isn't landing, can you offer an example.

[smooth]

A) CYYT B) 2108171528 C) 2111151400EST
E) ILS RWY 16 APCH ILS/DME MINIMA TO READ 703 (250) 1 RVR 50)
GKA645 17152811

According to the approach ban limits for commercial operators I read this NOTAM to mean the minimum visibility to conduct this approach to be 3/4 vis or 4000rvr.

PAL has been doing this approach down to 1200rvr for months. Am I missing something?

My company uses 50% chart for this situation(ILS in Canada with centerline lighting) which give us 1/2sm or RVR2600 for approach ban. I know Jazz Q400 have HUD on the left side and they could go lower than us.

But totally understand where you going with this, rvr1200 is 25% of rvr 5000. That's a lot of discount eh?

[smooth]

A) CYYT B) 2108171528 C) 2111151400EST
E) ILS RWY 16 APCH ILS/DME MINIMA TO READ 703 (250) 1 RVR 50)
GKA645 17152811

According to the approach ban limits for commercial operators I read this NOTAM to mean the minimum visibility to conduct this approach to be 3/4 vis or 4000rvr.

PAL has been doing this approach down to 1200rvr for months. Am I missing something?

My company uses 50% chart for this situation(ILS in Canada with centerline lighting) which give us 1/2sm or RVR2600 for approach ban. I don't know if Jazz Q400 can go lower than us because they have HUD?

But I understand where you going with this, rvr1200 is 25% of rvr 5000. That's a lot of discount eh?

[av8ts]

Neither Encore, WJ, Jazz nor I believe AC (still waiting to hear back from someone) can go down to 1200RVR when the published minimum is 5000. They must all be envious of PAL’s training department.

[RandyLahey]

If they have an Ops Spec, their limit is to RVR2600 or 1/2 not 1200. Ref the CAP GEN p.23 or CARS 703.41.