For sake of discussion, is it reasonable to spend the dollar amounts required to train 60 or more specialized workers for temporary positions?
Yes it is. Practically every business in Canada does. Why would you infer Sunwing or Canjet are exceptions? Dollar amounts?
Don't know the real costs of training 737NG crews but often hear the figure 30K tossed around... If the figure is close and the actual number is 60 its a 1.8 million dollar training cost to operate something for a short period of time. Would a company recover the 1.8 millon in that defined period of time?
Yeah, they would actually. And in about a month of flying. Here's my best guess without looking at their financial report.
1 pairing - YYZ-FLL $400.00 return airfare multiplied by 189 seats = $75,600.00
As an average income from similar flights over 100 trips at $75,600 = $7,560,000.00
Since they operate more than 100 flights a year to train 60 pilots at a cost of $35,000 per pilot = $2,100,000
1000 flights in the year should generate roughly $75,600,000.00 and these are low ball estimates.
Quite easy and reasonable to say they got it covered.
Would they make any profit operating that service if they added 1.8 millon in operating cost?
Yes, they
still would.
What if fuel goes up .30 cents a litre? Are they likely to pay?
What if insurance premiums go up? Will they cancel flights?
What if there's an increase in aircraft parts prices?
Ground handling and services?
You're implying it's okay to pay the associated operating costs except one. Pilot training.
Well, I for one ain't buying your rationale or reason.
Who benefits from training 60 people for short term work?
I'd say Canadian aviation as a whole would benefit by ensuring our pilots acquire invaluable experience today by filling these kinds of pilot positions at Canadian air lines when they're available to help ensure we have a Canadian air line industry in our future. If we endorse this Sunwing behaviour today we can expect to see foreign carriers infiltrate the Canadian airline market and operate from foreign bases. I won't support that either if it were to happen.
Clearly not the company and it's shareholders.
You should note that Sunwing is a private company. Therefore, it has NO shareholders. Only a partner, TUI.
I submit the company could probably make an argument that it wasn't reasonable to train Canadians or permanent residences to meet their labour needs.
Reality? The company can tell as many little porkies as they'd like in front of as many government organizations as they like and they'd likely be believed by everyone of them.
Truth is they're still trying to smoke those little porkies by everyone and most of us aren't buying it.
What role does the average Canadian pilot wish to play in the stature, quality of life and professionalism that should be part and parcel of the piloting profession in Canada?
Do we all want the profession to degenerate to the level of a Ryanair where the pilot pays for a type rating before an interview is granted. Pays for his uniform. Pays for his recurrent training. Turning this so-called profession into an even bigger joke than it already is?
Maybe it's later than we think.
The Sunwing Chairman, in a year end interview dated December 14, 2012 made some interesting remarks that should help some numbers people get their heads around training costs.
http://www.travelhotnews.com/reportages ... e_no=41584
The Sunwing Group uses its status as a private company to keep from having its financial results published.
- Revenue of $1.3 billion
- Profits before taxes of $68.1 million
- 2,000 employees
- 1.4 million Canada passengers
- 6,000 hotel rooms
- 35 per cent Canadian market share
source:TRAVELhotNews
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